DHS can take your laptop for "reasonable" time...

[annoyance]

Originally Posted by itsbob

Do the Constitution, The Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence apply to anyone except Americans?

While within this country, all people are subject to the provisions and protections of the Constitution until they, if proven to be here illegally, are sent back to their country of origin.

This, contrary to what the right believes, is to protect 'us', not 'them'. Take away the across the board protection and it's then up to you to prove that you're supposed to be here; good luck with that if you butt heads with a cop or bureaucrat on a power trip.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by forestal

Yes, only terrorists will need to worry about their laptops being taken away....

because the guvMint doesn't need any reasonable suspicion to hijack your computer, they rely on good luck and the belief that god will help them pick the right computers to sequestor.

however they do it, it's worked and kept us safe for the last 7 years.. so I hope they keep doing what they are doing.. Well at least until January, when possibly we get to find out the hard way how safe 'change' is.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by annoyance

While within this country, all people are subject to the provisions and protections of the Constitution until they, if proven to be here illegally, are sent back to their country of origin.

And foreigners aren't IN this country until they pass through Customs and Security.. According to your own argument, none of those in question would be covered by any of the above.

[annoyance]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

So they can take my laptop for no reason, detain it for months, and go through all my personal and medical information for no reason in the name of National Security.

Great policy.

GO BUSH!

That they think we believe the bull#### is scary/laughable. If a turrist wants to use a laptop to coordinate attacks, they'll buy/steal one after they're here. If they're hellbent on bringing their own, they'll scrub it and then vpn into the WorldWide Evildoers Network ™ to snag the files for their nefarious schemes.

But the faithful buy into it - hook, line & sinker.

In the meantime, there's no reason to make it easy on the govtards.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by annoyance

That they think we believe the bull#### is scary/laughable. If a turrist wants to use a laptop to coordinate attacks, they'll buy/steal one after they're here. If they're hellbent on bringing their own, they'll scrub it and then vpn into the WorldWide Evildoers Network ™ to snag the files for their nefarious schemes.

But the faithful buy into it - hook, line & sinker.

In the meantime, there's no reason to make it easy on the govtards.

From what I understand most terrorists aren't computer scientists.. and most of what they recruit are ignorant and mostly illiterate. It's hard to recruit smart educated people to strap a bomb to themselves and take themselves out, while trying to kill 10 people.

SO what you suggest might be obvious to most educated and computer savvy people, but not to most terrorists. I know I've read on more than one occasion where they have found plans, blueprints, and even strategy regarding atttacks (Timetables and the such) on these same laptops you say are a waste of time to inspect..

[annoyance]

Considering that the FBI can't even keep theirs secure, you may be on to something.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by itsbob

From what I understand most terrorists aren't computer scientists.. and most of what they recruit are ignorant and mostly illiterate. It's hard to recruit smart educated people to strap a bomb to themselves and take themselves out, while trying to kill 10 people.

SO what you suggest might be obvious to most educated and computer savvy people, but not to most terrorists. I know I've read on more than one occasion where they have found plans, blueprints, and even strategy regarding atttacks (Timetables and the such) on these same laptops you say are a waste of time to inspect..

Yet the government thinks Al-Qaida's capable of carrying out Cyberterrorism attacks?

Bob, you know better than this.

It's been known for a very long time that al-Qaida does in fact have a very tech-savvy wing.

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

It's been known for a very long time that al-Qaida does in fact have a very tech-savvy wing.

...and these are precisely the individuals al-Qaida will be sending on suicide missions. Since you are a computer professional in an entry level custodial job, can we assume you will soon be joining OBL's computer freaks?