California Gays just wont give up! Damn Freaks!

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

So what are you defending?

That the definition of a marriage certificate, as issued by a state, may have criteria of "one man and one woman", and still deny NO ONE any rights.

If you and I chose to live together, have sex, share cars and houses and vacations and what-have-you, there's no viable law against that. We can call it a marriage, we can (in most places) adopt children, and live however we choose to live. We just can't obtain a state issued marriage license, because we don't fit the defintion. Just like we can't obtain a state issued semi-driver's license unless we meet the requirements, or obtain retirement welfare (social security) at the rate of people over 67 years old because we don't meet the requirements. Or obtain tax exempt status as a church because we don't meet the requirements.

But, we can live 100% exactly the same way.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

He already has an answer, go out and spend money to get a lawyer to draft up a piece of paper that may be recognized in a court of law, to get the same benefits others get for no fees.

There's no fee for a marriage license?

And, living wills, executors of estates, etc., don't always work for married people either - if she were still alive, you could ask Anna Nicole Smith about that.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...and what of our transgender friends and sex changes and confused identity folks and the 'man' who just had a baby and the whole circus?

Well, first off, no man has ever had a baby. You're more right with the "confused identity" label - when you have a vagina and no penis, you are not a man. Someone needs to let the Today show in on this basic fact.

What of them? They are physically one gender or another ("she-males" not included). I'm not sure how they're legally classified, and I think their percentage is even lower than the roughly 2% of homosexuals in the nation, so I can't say I'm even close to versed on how a hermaphrodite is classified in gender.

It is a fact; there are gay people. Always have been. Always will be. Your personal rejection of their relationships is not legitimate rationale to bar them from marrying one another any more than it is for religious compatibility, racial issues or age and so on.

Where have I argued anything about a personal rejection of their relationship? INDEED, I've suggested the celebration of their relationship!!!!!!

The law does not expect you to like everyone. It just doesn't allow for your personal prejudices to be applied to others.

No prejudice is applied, no discrimination. One man, one woman, regardless of race, color, creed, national origin, funny spelling of name, occupation, sexual orientation, dog v cat person, etc.

[Xaquin44]

A marriage license costs 30.00

try finding a lawyer to write up a series of documents that need to be upheald in court for that.

lol at you again for being stupid.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

That has been your answer to the benefits question, i wasnt stating i agreed to it.

My point is that this is not really an advantage for married people as well, and gave a well-known and publicized case as an example.

Health care is not government controlled (yet), and has nothing to do with anything. My company provides health care benefits to a live-in same gendered partner, but not an opposite sex live-in partner unless you're "married".

Discrimination against heterosexuals?

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Are we gonna go through this again?

until you stop twisting things and trying to fit your ideas I see little reason to go through it again.
I prefer to attack this in a legal sense, you seem to prefer the emotional sense.
I can so no value to society as a whole in allowing same sex marriage.

[Highlander]

Originally Posted by bcp

until you stop twisting things and trying to fit your ideas I see little reason to go through it again.
I prefer to attack this in a legal sense, you seem to prefer the emotional sense.
I can so no value to society as a whole in allowing same sex marriage.

BCP. You are the man. I can't say I've ever really disagreed with you on anything. Regardign Larry, I generally like his views but his view on the homo thing is not what i really expected from him. I can only assume he goes both ways, has a gay daughter or something like that. There's some underlying reason why he thinks rump rangers are normal.

In any case, I really don't hate gay people. I hope that someday they can find a cure. A pill, a surgery or some shock treatment. Until then, let's accept their illness and try to work with them. That doesn't mean marraige. That's like giving a driver's license to a blind person.

[sunmoonstars]

Originally Posted by Highlander

That doesn't mean marraige. That's like giving a driver's license to a blind person.

you do have a point..

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Highlander

BCP. You are the man. I can't say I've ever really disagreed with you on anything. Regardign Larry, I generally like his views but his view on the homo thing is not what i really expected from him. I can only assume he goes both ways, has a gay daughter or something like that. There's some underlying reason why he thinks rump rangers are normal.

In any case, I really don't hate gay people. I hope that someday they can find a cure. A pill, a surgery or some shock treatment. Until then, let's accept their illness and try to work with them. That doesn't mean marraige. That's like giving a driver's license to a blind person.

I dont think Larry goes both ways at all.
I have a good deal of respect for Larry and his opinions almost all of the time, his delivery of thoughts causes one to think before they answer, and that is refreshing.
However, I do think that when it comes to gay rights (rights is not really the issue here) he is more open to their desire than I am.
He says why not?
I say why?

He says show where it would hurt? I say show where it would do good for society as a whole.
To be honest, neither one of us has been able to come up with a good reason for our stance other than emotional validation.

so,
On this subject, I can not sway larry, he will not sway me. There really is no reason to argue this point with him to the point of anomosity, we have other discussions that our opinions can be better utilized in.

but Larry going both ways? I find that a hard one to swallow (pun intended)

[toppick08 (Premo)]

Despise the gay lifestyle.......but love the souls of the people.....How in the Hell, they do what they do is so foreign to me....