Va. gov: No reason to stop sniper execution

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

Hey JPC, why are you using this smiley to prove your point?

[Pushrod]

Originally Posted by eddy1

You just don't get it do you? You are so ill informed, yet you think you should be an elected official.

Great retort to his nonsense. Nothing like facts to frustrate the dillusional drooling idiot.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by eddy1

A true terrorist is one that kills for political reasons in support of a group or a political ideology. That is your definition, Virigina's antiterrorism statute is for homicide committed with an intent to terrorize the government or the public at large. Do you dispute that was their intent?

I would indeed dispute the intent of that VA law but it is not the point here.

The big point here is that Mr. Muhammad was captured here in MD by the Montgomery County Police and he was incarcerated in a MD jail and then the Federal authorities mis-used the law to get the prisoner executed in VA in violation of the criminal's jurisdiction of MD.

In such a high profile case as this one the authorities had the opportunity to demonstrate to the community and to the world how our Country of Laws function in a specific lawful way, but instead the authorities purposely and openly and publicly manipulated the law just to get the criminal executed in VA and so the entire case is tarnished ugly.

And I do know that shallow people will call it justice but history will be far more honest in reports of this kind.

And this case gives one more example of how and why the death penalty often interferes with justice, and it interferes with the due process of law, and the death penalty is applied in prejudicial ways.

It is not unreasonable to make the observation that if Mr. Muhammad had been a white man with a Christian name then he would far more likely be spending life in a Maryland prison, instead of being executed in VA as some kind of terrorist.

In the Oklahoma City bombing case Terry Nichols got life in prison as a white man with a Christian name and that bombing crime was intended as an act of terrorism.

Instead of figuring the intent of the law - here is the intent of the crime.

McVeigh was the one that did the crime as was Lee Boyd Malvo in the sniper case, and Mr Muhammad did not do the killing like Terry Nichols did not do the killing.

Two big cases with two very opposite standards and opposite executions.

That is what history will dictate.

[eddy1]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

I would indeed dispute the intent of that VA law but it is not the point here.

The big point here is that Mr. Muhammad was captured here in MD by the Montgomery County Police and he was incarcerated in a MD jail and then the Federal authorities mis-used the law to get the prisoner executed in VA in violation of the criminal's jurisdiction of MD. Ok, which law is it that the federal authorities mis-used?

In such a high profile case as this one the authorities had the opportunity to demonstrate to the community and to the world how our Country of Laws function in a specific lawful way, but instead the authorities purposely and openly and publicly manipulated the law just to get the criminal executed in VA and so the entire case is tarnished ugly. They did demonstrate how the laws work effectively. They convicted him in each of the states that he committed a crime.

And I do know that shallow people will call it justice but history will be far more honest in reports of this kind. Shallow people meaning the families without parents Muhammad and Malvo left behind?

And this case gives one more example of how and why the death penalty often interferes with justice, and it interferes with the due process of law, and the death penalty is applied in prejudicial ways. Do you understand what due process is? I know you have been in the criminal justice system for a very long time, and although you have been a defendant I would have thought you'd understand the definition. There were no due process violations.

It is not unreasonable to make the observation that if Mr. Muhammad had been a white man with a Christian name then he would far more likely be spending life in a Maryland prison, instead of being executed in VA as some kind of terrorist. Oh, like Timothy McVeigh? Which Oklahoma prison is he in?

In the Oklahoma City bombing case Terry Nichols got life in prison as a white man with a Christian name and that bombing crime was intended as an act of terrorism. And Malvo is spending the rest of his life in jail. Your point?

Instead of figuring the intent of the law - here is the intent of the crime. Their intent was to kill and terrorize a community. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that out.

McVeigh was the one that did the crime as was Lee Boyd Malvo in the sniper case, and Mr Muhammad did not do the killing like Terry Nichols did not do the killing. Muhammad was the spoter, was present when all the crimes were committed, sent the ransom notes, gave direction to Chief Moose, and ordered the executions.

Two big cases with two very opposite standards and opposite executions.

That is what history will dictate.

Two big cases with the same result. One person staying in jail forever, the other person being justly executed.

[LordStanley]

can I have some of what JPC is smoking?

[G1G4]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

It is not unreasonable to make the observation that if Mr. Muhammad had been a white man with a Christian name then he would far more likely be spending life in a Maryland prison, instead of being executed in VA as some kind of terrorist.

How in the world did you come to that conclusion? He killed across multiple states, therefore he needed to be tried where he killed, which he was. VA has the death penalty, the VA jury sentenced him to death -- so the sentence will be carried.
Why should we house someone who knowingly and willingly tried to kill numerous people? I guess your the same kind of person that will defend the 9/11 conspirators as well, right? Your the exact reason why our system is so screwed up. You play this whole race game for all the wrong reasons. Do yourself a favor, don't run for governor and quit posting. You are making yourself look dumber every time you post.

[Go G-Men]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

Well I can figure out a few reasons.

The prisoner was captured in Maryland and therefore he was to face MD law but the Feds shipped him out and over to VA just to insure an execution and to avoid MD law.

And according to the evidence the prisoner did not actually kill any of the victims, so that even if he did plan it and he master mined it all - he did not do the killing himself and he might not have done it if the other guy had not willingly done the shooting.

And he was prosecuted and sentenced to death under the new "terrorism" laws when he was just a common criminal and not a true terrorist.

And there is even the sad and pitiful reality that Mr. Muhammad was first and foremost pressured into his life of crime by the ugly injustice of the child support and custody laws which took his children away from their father.

So there are reasons for not executing the prisoner but they are being over looked.

Well here is an idea. Because you are so opposed to this execution why don't you go to Virginia and lay on the gurney next to him and we can connect you both up. Only one of you gets the actual IV cocktail. This way whichever one ends up dying I am still happy! Of course the cruelty would be that if JP dies than we can kill the sniper and JP won't be able to biatch about it.

[Bronwyn (Premo)]

Originally Posted by bcp

You know.
JPC never fails to deliver.

I've been out of the loop... Is he back???

[FireBrand (Premo)]

Muhammad is scheduled to die this coming Tues (10th Nov) the last that I heard.

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Originally Posted by VoteJP

Hi Bob, it has been a long time since I pestered you.

I do not have any legal degree, but I do remember back at that time and I said it then and I still say it now that the prisoner needed to have been prosecuted in Montgomery County MD and it was a slap to MD when the Feds took the prisoners over to VA.

And they even forced a confession out of the younger prisoner after that transfer to VA when the Lawyers were demanding their Miranda rights.

They (Maryland) captured the criminals in MD but then the law openly and publicly does wrong to the criminals to tarnish the entire event. And our pitiful Governor said nothing at that time in defense of Maryland and of our jurisdiction or in defense of our legal system.

It is not so much that the prisoner was wronged but that Maryland did not deserve the slap.

Committing murder or multiple murders is a common law crime for common criminals like Mr Muhammad.

A true terrorist is one that kills for political reasons in support of a group or a political ideology.

If he had done it in protest of the child support laws then I would call him a true terrorist, but this Man did not.

They could have prosecuted the criminals under MD law and the jurisdiction was in fact in MD but instead they openly twisted the law and it was a demonstration of weakness by those who were to enforce the law against the two criminals.

The worst part is that jpc would fit right in the Nobama administration.