Southern Maryland Online - Serving Calvert, Charles, & St. Mary's Counties.  Click here to go to the Front Page of somd.com.
 
| Write Us | Help | Sponsors | Classifieds | Employment | Forums | MarketPlace | Calendar | Headlines | Announcements | Weather | More... |


Go Back   Southern Maryland Community Forums > General Interest > News and Current Events
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Chat Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Wireless

News and Current Events What's going on in the world or right here in Southern Maryland? Other sources of what's happening locally: Headline News, Community Calendar, Announcements.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-03-2009, 03:21 PM   #21 (permalink)
..
 
Tilted's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,376
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nucklesack View Post
Gotta love Lincoln!
True words. True words.
__________________
The man who asks of freedom anything other than itself is born to be a slave. - Tocqueville
Tilted is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Add post to Facebook
[ Reply w/Quote ]
Old 11-03-2009, 03:26 PM   #22 (permalink)
..
 
Tilted's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,376
Pushrod, I meant to add, the language which Madison proposed, which obviously was not accepted, was:

Quote:
No state shall violate the equal rights of conscience, or the freedom of the press, or trial by jury in criminal cases.
I'm not sure whether or not that is what you were referring to.
__________________
The man who asks of freedom anything other than itself is born to be a slave. - Tocqueville
Tilted is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Add post to Facebook
[ Reply w/Quote ]
Old 11-03-2009, 04:04 PM   #23 (permalink)
Patriot
 
Pushrod's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2001
Location: So. MD
Posts: 1,542
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilted View Post

Of course, for that to work, inclusion in the political bodies has to be voluntary, not compulsory. That's part of what separates a Republic from an Empire. Unfortunately, that particular battle was lost in 1865 - inclusion in the larger political body became compulsory, and thus the ground work was laid for the loss of the Republic.

Sadly, very true. I see no way of recovering what was lost then.

But, all of that having been said, we are where we are. And, in light of that, let's hope the Second gets incorporated. That way, we'll at least have another avenue through which to seek relief from oppression with specific regard to the right to keep and bear arms. As it is, the only avenue we have available to us doesn't lead anywhere good - surely the other one can't be worse.

Again I absolutely agree, even though in my heart I know that we tread down the wrong path than that our forfathers mapped out for us, it is the better of the two paths of the new fork before us.

At least with our arms, we can hopefully keep it from degenerating any further. Jefferson was correct when he stated:

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."
__________________
Pushrod

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." -Albert Einstein
Pushrod is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Add post to Facebook
[ Reply w/Quote ]
Old 11-03-2009, 04:07 PM   #24 (permalink)
Patriot
 
Pushrod's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2001
Location: So. MD
Posts: 1,542
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilted View Post
Pushrod, I meant to add, the language which Madison proposed, which obviously was not accepted, was:



I'm not sure whether or not that is what you were referring to.
Yes, that is one that I was refering to. I'll check tonight in some of my tomes to see if there were others.
__________________
Pushrod

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." -Albert Einstein
Pushrod is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Add post to Facebook
[ Reply w/Quote ]
Old 11-03-2009, 04:16 PM   #25 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Nucklesack's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: Southern Maryland
Posts: 1,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilted View Post
True words. True words.
Wonder how many realize the difference between what the Founding Fathers wanted and what Lincoln enabled?
__________________
On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. ..... The religious factions .... are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent..... Just who do they think they are? ... I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way .... in the name of "conservatism." - Barry Goldwater September 16, 1981 (edited for length Link)
Nucklesack is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Add post to Facebook
[ Reply w/Quote ]
Reply




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:47 AM.



| Home | Help | Contact Us | About somd.com | Privacy | Advertising | Sponsors | Newsletter |

| What's New | What's Cool | Top Rated | Add A Link | Mod a Link | Link to Us |

| Announcements | Bookstore | Chat | Calendar | Classifieds | Community |
| Contests & Surveys | Culture | Dating | Dining | Education | Employment | Entertainment |
| Forums | Free E-Mail | Games | Gear! | Government | Guestbook | Health | Marketplace | Mortgage | News |
| Organizations | Photos | Postcard | Real Estate | Relocation | Sports | Survey | Travel | Wiki | Weather | Worship |

Brought to you by Virtually Everything, Inc.   ©1996-2009, All rights reserved.


SEO by vBSEO 3.1.0 ©2007, Crawlability, Inc.