Evidence of 'God Particle' found

[Chris0nllyn]

Physicists say they have all but proven that the "God particle" exists. They have a footprint and a shadow, and the only thing left is to see for themselves the elusive subatomic particle believed to give all matter in the universe size and shape.

Scientists at the world's biggest atom smasher plan to announce Wednesday that they have nearly confirmed the primary plank of a theory that could restructure the understanding of why matter has mass, which combines with gravity to give an object weight.

The idea is much like gravity and Isaac Newton's discovery: It was there all the time before Newton explained it. But now scientists know what it is and can put that knowledge to further use.

The focus of the excitement is the Higgs boson, a subatomic particle long sought by physicists.

Researchers at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, say that they have compiled vast amounts of data that show the footprint and shadow of the particle, even though it has never actually been glimpsed.

But two independent teams of physicists are cautious after decades of work and billions of dollars spent. They don't plan to use the word "discovery." They say they will come as close as possible to a "eureka" announcement without overstating their findings.

"I agree that any reasonable outside observer would say, 'It looks like a discovery,'" said British theoretical physicist John Ellis, a professor at King's College London who has worked at CERN since the 1970s. "We've discovered something which is consistent with being a Higgs."

CERN's atom smasher, the $10 billion Large Hadron Collider on the Swiss-French border, has been creating high-energy collisions of protons to investigate dark matter, antimatter and the creation of the universe, which many theorize occurred in a massive explosion known as the Big Bang.

The phrase "God particle," coined by Nobel Prize-winning physicist Leon Lederman, is used by laymen, not physicists, more as an explanation for how the subatomic universe works than how it all started.

Rob Roser, who leads the search for the Higgs boson at the Fermilab in Chicago, said: "Particle physicists have a very high standard for what it takes to be a discovery," and he thinks it is a hair's breadth away. Roser compared the results that scientists will announce Wednesday to finding the fossilized imprint of a dinosaur: "You see the footprints and the shadow of the object, but you don't actually see it."

Fermilab, whose competing atom smasher reported its final results Monday after shutting down last year, said its data doesn't settle the question of the Higgs boson, but it came tantalizingly close.

"It's a real cliffhanger," said Gregorio Bernardi, a physicist at the University of Paris who helped lead one of the main experiments at Fermilab. He cited "strong indications of the production and decay of Higgs bosons" in some of their observations.

Fermilab theorist Joseph Lykken said the Higgs boson "gets at the center, for some physicists, of why the universe is here in the first place."

Though an impenetrable concept to many, the Higgs boson has until now been just that — a concept intended to explain a riddle: How were subatomic particles, such as electrons, protons and neutrons, themselves formed? What gives them their mass?

The answer came in a theory first proposed by Scottish physicist Peter Higgs and others in the 1960s. It envisioned an energy field where particles interact with a key particle, the Higgs boson.

The idea is that other particles attract Higgs bosons and the more they attract, the bigger their mass will be. Some liken the effect to a ubiquitous Higgs snowfield that affects other particles traveling through it depending on whether they are wearing, metaphorically speaking, skis, snowshoes or just shoes.

Officially, CERN is presenting its evidence this week at a physics conference in Australia but plans to accompany the announcement with meetings in Geneva. The two teams, known as ATLAS and CMS, then plan to publicly unveil more data on the Higgs boson at physics meetings in October and December. Each of the teams involves thousands of people working independently to ensure accuracy.

The scientific threshold for discovery is high. Scientists have to show with complex formulas that there's a less than 1 in 1.7 million chance that the findings are a statistical fluke. With two independent experiments showing that there's less than 1 in 16,000 chance of being wrong, it's a matter of how their work is put together.

Scientists with access to the new CERN data say it shows with a high degree of certainty that the Higgs boson may already have been glimpsed, and that by unofficially combining the separate results from ATLAS and CMS it can be argued that a discovery is near. Ellis says at least one physicist-blogger has done just that in a credible way.

CERN spokesman James Gillies said Monday that he would be "very cautious" about unofficial combinations of ATLAS and CMS data.

"Combining the data from two experiments is a complex task, which is why it takes time, and why no combination will be presented on Wednesday." he said.

But if the calculations are indeed correct, said John Guinon, a longtime physics professor at the University of California at Davis and author of the book "The Higgs Hunter's Guide," then it is fair to say that "in some sense we have reached the mountaintop."

Sean M. Carroll, a California Institute of Technology physicist flying to Geneva for Wednesday's announcement, said that if both ATLAS and CMS have independently reached these high thresholds on the Higgs boson, then "only the most curmudgeonly will not believe that they have found it."

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[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Great! They're finally admitting that God did create everything

[Chris0nllyn]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Great! They're finally admitting that God did create everything

'God Particle' is lamens terms.

It's actually the Higgs boson particle that they believe gives "all matter in the universe size and shape."

The phrase "God particle," coined by Nobel Prize-winning physicist Leon Lederman, is used by laymen, not physicists, more as an explanation for how the subatomic universe works than how it all started.

[withrespect (Premo)]

too many words!

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by withrespect

too many words!

The science people were able to make two really, really, really teeny thingies in a tube bump into each other and believe it will explain how something can come from what seems to be nothing.

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn

'God Particle' is lamens terms.

It's actually the Higgs boson particle that they believe gives "all matter in the universe size and shape."

And how ironic they'd attach the word "God" to it. And that they'd apply to every bit of matter in the universe; even the parts they've never seen or even know exists.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn

'God Particle' is lamens terms.
It's actually the Higgs boson particle that they believe gives "all matter in the universe size and shape."

I'm just amazed at how scientists will call it the "God particle" and yet deny that God actually made everything. Also amazing is how they look for the smallest stuff while missing the big stuff. Oh well, if it leads them to believe then let them enjoy their research...

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

I'm just amazed at how scientists will call it the "God particle" and yet deny that God actually made everything. Also amazing is how they look for the smallest stuff while missing the big stuff. Oh well, if it leads them to believe then let them enjoy their research...

Wonder where that particle came from, cant create matter from noting and regardless of size, it is matter.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by bcp

Wonder where that particle came from, cant create matter from noting and regardless of size, it is matter.

Soitainly! In fairness to Chris, these people are more interested in finding what the smallest particle of matter is, as opposed to who made it. Of course WE know that it's futile because it's really not important. Zillions of $$$ for nothing or for something that mankind will probably use for evil purposes...

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by kwillia

The science people were able to make two really, really, really teeny thingies in a tube bump into each other and believe it will explain how something can come from what seems to be nothing.

exactly start with nothing and then bump nothing into nothing and come up with something, then I might get excited about their discovery