Zimmerman/Martin Update

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Originally Posted by awpitt

If that's what happened, you'd be right. The problem is if Zimmerman initiated contact, which is the most likely account. If Zimmerman initiated contact, everything that happened afterwards is his fault.

How so? Where has anyone said Zimmerman assaulted Martin first?

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Originally Posted by awpitt

Unless your neighborhood has blue street signs, you do not have the right to confront strangers in your neighborhood. That's because if the street signs are green, those roads are county or state roads which means they are public roads, which means "strangers" have a legal right to be on those roads.

How did Zimmerman "confront" Martin? I really don't know. This is the first I am hearing of this. I thought he followed him.

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Originally Posted by JoeRider

Strangers do not have a legal right to be on the road if they are intoxicated. They do not have a legal right to be on the road if they are committing a felony on that road. I think you have a very simplistic view of things here and forget that "Rights" go both ways. I do have a legal Constitutional Right to confront a stranger in a public place as long as it is reasonable. Please explain to me where I can't do that?! Note the term reasonable is used here. Threatening would be like "Get the hell out of here" where "why are you here?" would be reasonable.

I might have a simplistic view but it is a factual view. If you ask, "why are you here?", I have no obligation to respond. If I'm walking down a public road and you confront me by asking me what I'm doing there, my response will be, "It's none of your business". Any further interferance from you will result in a phone call from me to the police.

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Originally Posted by JoeRider

Interesting that the defense withheld the picture for so long.

The prosecution held the color picture from the defense because it didn't support the picture the prosecution is trying to paint.

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Originally Posted by JoeRider

Well I'll be. Ya think?

Apologies, I missed your sarcasm in your initial questioning.

Scenario A- they didn't charge Zimmerman and deal with the looting and rioting. The shame is this option builds credibility to idiots acting like idiots. Spike Lee and the likes should have been charged with felonies but of course Holder would have to stop being a racist for that to happen.

Scenario B- they buy some time and stretch this debacle out so We The People simmer down a bit and then let justice prevail.

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Originally Posted by awpitt

I might have a simplistic view but it is a factual view. If you ask, "why are you here?", I have no obligation to respond. If I'm walking down a public road and you confront me by asking me what I'm doing there, my response will be, "It's none of your business". Any further interferance from you will result in a phone call from me to the police.

And what will the police do to me if I ask you those questions? Nothing. However, if you punch me and knock me to the ground and I feel that my life is threatened, I might shoot you as I would be defending myself.

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Originally Posted by letmetellyou

And what will the police do to me if I ask you those questions? Nothing. However, if you punch me and knock me to the ground and I feel that my life is threatened, I might shoot you as I would be defending myself.

..and if you physically threaten me by preventing me from going about my business, you might end up being shot as well.

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Originally Posted by awpitt

..and if you physically threaten me by preventing me from going about my business, you might end up being shot as well.

Did anybody say that is what happened in the Zimmerman case? I thought he followed Martin. I never heard that he "physically threatened him. First I'm hearing of that, or is it that you are inserting arguments to help the prosecution's case?

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Originally Posted by letmetellyou

Did anybody say that is what happened in the Zimmerman case? I thought he followed Martin. I never heard that he "physically threatened him. First I'm hearing of that, or is it that you are inserting arguments to help the prosecution's case?

You won't hear that. The only witness can't be compelled to testify against hisself and has shown a willingness to lie as was the case during the initial bond hearing.

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Originally Posted by awpitt

Unless your neighborhood has blue street signs, you do not have the right to confront strangers in your neighborhood. That's because if the street signs are green, those roads are county or state roads which means they are public roads, which means "strangers" have a legal right to be on those roads.

Have you forgotten this was a gated community? Have you forgotten than Zimmerman was there because the legal inhabitants of this gated community asked him to be there doing exactly what he was doing when he got out of his vehicle?