KS supports MD suit opposing CCW regs

[letmetellyou]

Originally Posted by edinsomd

I find your fear of lawful, trained, and willing citizens having the ability to defend themselves and others odd. As they say, when seconds count the police are minutes away. I'm not slamming the cops; it's a simple truth.

Lets talk about training though. I feel that any person who goes through the same training, and background checks as police officers in the state of Maryland should be able to carry a concealed regulated firearm.

[aps45819]

Originally Posted by letmetellyou

Wait....lawful trained? Where does the constitution say anything about being trained? By your standard anyone who is a citizen of this country can carry a firearm. By your standard, this state isn't supposed to pass any laws, rules or regulations which infringe on the "right" of a person to bear arms.

That isn't what the constitution says though. It says your right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Bearing arms means to show. Not hide. The constitution does not say that the state can not pass a law to put restrictions on firearms. YOU yourself said there should be "reasonable" restrictions. What makes you a hypocrite is that you feel that only you can determine what is reasonable.

Bearing arms means to carry

baring arms means to show

[edinsomd]

Originally Posted by letmetellyou

Wait....lawful trained? Where does the constitution say anything about being trained? By your standard anyone who is a citizen of this country can carry a firearm. By your standard, this state isn't supposed to pass any laws, rules or regulations which infringe on the "right" of a person to bear arms.

That isn't what the constitution says though. It says your right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Bearing arms means to show. Not hide. The constitution does not say that the state can not pass a law to put restrictions on firearms. YOU yourself said there should be "reasonable" restrictions. What makes you a hypocrite is that you feel that only you can determine what is reasonable.

I've been civil to this point, but you are trying my patience. Are you thick? "Bear" means to carry. The Supreme Court, not me, has decided the states may make reasonable restrictions on the Constitution. I am fine with reasonable restrictions. Maryland has overstepped the "reasonable" mark, was sued by a private citizen, lost in Federal court, and will lose again either in the 4th Circuit Court or SCOTUS if Gansler appeals.

Your irrational fear of lawful citizens protecting themselves may be symptomatic of deeper issues. Seek professional help immediately.

[aps45819]

Originally Posted by letmetellyou

Lets talk about training though. I feel that any person who goes through the same training, and background checks as police officers in the state of Maryland should be able to carry a concealed regulated firearm.

You willing to cover the costs for citizens like you do for the police?
Qualifying multiple times a year can be quite expensive.
I agree there should be background checks and passing a safety course but being held to professional standards is excessive



"the law cannot be evertwhere to protect everybody"

[letmetellyou]

Originally Posted by aps45819

You willing to cover the costs for citizens like you do for the police?
Qualifying multiple times a year can be quite expensive.
I agree there should be background checks and passing a safety course but being held to professional standards is excessive

No, I'm not willing to cover the costs. If you want it pay for it. Otherwise, as stated before, I like Maryland's laws.

[letmetellyou]

Originally Posted by edinsomd

I've been civil to this point, but you are trying my patience. Are you thick? "Bear" means to carry. (not concealed) The Supreme Court, not me, has decided the states may make reasonable restrictions on the Constitution. I am fine with reasonable restrictions. Maryland has overstepped the "reasonable" mark, was sued by a private citizen, lost in Federal court, and will lose again either in the 4th Circuit Court or SCOTUS if Gansler appeals.

Your irrational fear of lawful citizens protecting themselves may be symptomatic of deeper issues. Seek professional help immediately.

Maryland's laws are reasonable. You should be happy to live here. If you don't like Maryland's laws, move to one of the states you ealier referrenced.

So what happened to the federal case? Didn't the federal court system uphold what Maryland does? Now we go to the supreme court. Maybe, maybe not.

What we do know is that for now, the courts have ruled that Maryland is operating in a reasonable manner.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by letmetellyou

Maryland's laws are reasonable. You should be happy to live here. If you don't like Maryland's laws, move to one of the states you ealier referrenced.

So what happened to the federal case? Didn't the federal court system uphold what Maryland does? Now we go to the supreme court. Maybe, maybe not.

What we do know is that for now, the courts have ruled that Maryland is operating in a reasonable manner.

That is the biggest crock of I've heard yet. I love living in Maryland, but their laws, taxes and the way our idiot governor spends money is outrageous. Our Concealed Carry law with their "good and substantial reason" clause is a violation of my Constitutional rights, but then you know all about that and your liberal interpretation lacks common sense so I won't even try to argue the point with you.

[letmetellyou]

Originally Posted by Vince

Our Concealed Carry law with their "good and substantial reason" clause is a violation of my Constitutional rights, but then you know all about that and your liberal interpretation lacks common sense so I won't even try to argue the point with you.

I said in the beginning I like Maryland's laws. I don't care what you like to be honest. This is a democracy and when you can vote someone in who can change what the state police do (after all if the govenor wanted to he could) then do it.

This is a great country and a country of choices. If you can't change the laws or don't like them in the state you live in.....move!

[aps45819]

Originally Posted by letmetellyou

Maryland's laws are reasonable.

What other constitutional rights should you be required to show a 'Good and substantial reason' in order to enjoy?

If maryland required it, how would you demonstrate your need to be able to say anything against the political party in power?

[letmetellyou]

Originally Posted by aps45819

What other constitutional rights should you be required to show a 'Good and substantial reason' in order to enjoy?

If maryland required it, how would you demonstrate your need to be able to say anything against the political party in power?

None. Maryland doesn't prevent you from carrying a firearm. The constitution does not guarantee you unrestricted rights when it comes to firearms. Even someone such as yourself wouldn't want a person who is lets say charged with an armed robbery to show up in a court room for his trial now would you?

It is the Government of the United States of America which regulates firearms. Maryland allows you to keep and bear arms. Why can't you understand that.