Conflicting Reports about Sandy Hook's Firearms.

[Chris0nllyn]

Originally Posted by thatguy

they were, unless you have some insider information. considering that, i am sure the left thinks it is perfectly legitimate to ask for a ban. Just like they thought it was perfectly legit to ask for it before.

Let me get this right. The media, who got the killer's name, where he lived, how he got into the building, and his association with the building, is the same media claiming he used that rifle. And you believe them?

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by BigBlue

Did you read it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/ny...ll.html#p20h21


Correction: December 18, 2012



An article on Sunday about the way in which the gunman in the Connecticut school shooting blasted his way into the building on Friday and shot his victims multiple times misstated, in some editions, the caliber of two handguns found at the school. The guns were a 10-millimeter Glock and a 9-millimeter Sig Sauer — not .10-millimeter and .9-millimeter.

So given that you weren't were there and are totally dependent on what the media reports, which story do you CHOOSE to believe?

[BigBlue]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

So given that you weren't were there and are totally dependent on what the media reports, which story do you CHOOSE to believe?

The true one.

[Chris0nllyn]

Originally Posted by BigBlue

The true one.

Which is?

It may be difficult for you, but feel free to provide a real, thought out answer to this question.

[thatguy]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

So given that you weren't were there and are totally dependent on what the media reports, which story do you CHOOSE to believe?

but you arent dependant on the media. The ME and the police officals have given press conferences. You can and probably have watched them.

I choose to beleive the police officals and the ME.


you can play conspiracy if you want.

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by thatguy

but you arent dependant on the media. The ME and the police officals have given press conferences. You can and probably have watched them.

I choose to beleive the police officals and the ME.


you can play conspiracy if you want.

Not conspiracy; speculation. When a conflicting report comes out it cause me to ask questions. It causes me to not just settle for one or the other because I know people can get it wrong, and I also know people can say things because they have an agenda. Remember Tawana Brawley, the Duke Lacrosse fiasco, OJ Simpson...

Respected professionals are capable of lying:

When Experts Lie

Why would the ME lie? Maybe he's avidly against assault weapons. No way he could have been bribed by very influential and powerful people (remember Blagojevich?) who are bent on banning guns. Is it possible the crime scene was tampered with before the ME got there?

I'm not saying any of this is true by any stretch. I am saying that we don't have all the facts, and when a conflicting report comes out, people start asking questions. Because you choose to believe the ME doesn't mean any of these questions are less legitimate.

[thatguy]

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Originally Posted by PsyOps

Not conspiracy; speculation. When a conflicting report comes out it cause me to ask questions. It causes me to not just settle for one or the other because I know people can get it wrong, and I also know people can say things because they have an agenda. Remember Tawana Brawley, the Duke Lacrosse fiasco, OJ Simpson...

Respected professionals are capable of lying:

When Experts Lie

Why would the ME lie? Maybe he's avidly against assault weapons. No way he could have been bribed by very influential and powerful people (remember Blagojevich?) who are bent on banning guns. Is it possible the crime scene was tampered with before the ME got there?

I'm not saying any of this is true by any stretch. I am saying that we don't have all the facts, and when a conflicting report comes out, people start asking questions. Because you choose to believe the ME doesn't mean any of these questions are less legitimate.

If you don't want to be part of the conspiracy crowd, stop perpetuating it.

Conflicting reports are only evidence that news reporters don't get it right all of the time. The ME and the police have given officla statements. If you choose to not believe them and want to speculate why they are lying, you are buying into the conspiracy.

[migtig]

Originally Posted by thatguy

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If you don't want to be part of the conspiracy crowd, stop perpetuating it.

Conflicting reports are only evidence that news reporters don't get it right all of the time. The ME and the police have given officla statements. If you choose to not believe them and want to speculate why they are lying, you are buying into the conspiracy.

I agree that conflicting reports show the media doesn't get it right.

I disagree that speculation means one buys into a conspiracy. It's a "tool" that most overly rational people use to logically sound out all kinds of ideas and it can be most effective in discarding unsound premises and ideas.

I've noticed PsyOps uses this process a lot and can appreciate it for what it is. Though I know he has to get frustrated that he mostly gets emotional based responses instead of the reasoning and logical debate he's looking for.

[thatguy]

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Originally Posted by migtig

I agree that conflicting reports show the media doesn't get it right.

I disagree that speculation means one buys into a conspiracy. It's a "tool" that most overly rational people use to logically sound out all kinds of ideas and it can be most effective in discarding unsound premises and ideas.

I've noticed PsyOps uses this process a lot and can appreciate it for what it is. Though I know he has to get frustrated that he mostly gets emotional based responses instead of the reasoning and logical debate he's looking for.

Pretending this was all a conspiracy perpetrated by the anti gun nuts to allow them to go after assault weapons does nothing for the pro 2ndA argument. It just makes us look crazy.

When I said buying in I should have said perpetuating. But I don't see logical debate in perpetuating such conspiracy theories.

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by thatguy

If you don't want to be part of the conspiracy crowd, stop perpetuating it.

Conflicting reports are only evidence that news reporters don't get it right all of the time. The ME and the police have given officla statements. If you choose to not believe them and want to speculate why they are lying, you are buying into the conspiracy.

I don’t want to be or not want to be part of anything in this discussion. I’m not choosing sides on the ME’s report. I’m only stipulating that information has come out that conflicts with his report. This makes speculative people like me ask what the real truth is and not just settle for what someone reports just because it’s an official statement. As I pointed out to you, people in this position have been known to fabricate their facts for whatever reasons to serve their purpose. I’m beginning to look at this like the Benghazi and Fast and Furious debacles. I’m still waiting for the truth on those tragic events.

I want the truth. I’m certainly not getting it from you. The only conspiracy I’m buying into right now is my doubt on the facts. I’m not asserting the ME or anyone is deceiving us for some bigger diabolical purpose.