NBC's David Gregory violates gun law!

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

And if the opposition were sane, rational people without their own agenda you would be able to do just that very thing.

But they're not.

You, Larry Gude, can argue with one person successfully and have a decent conversation about the issue. When you get onto a national stage with everyone and their dog chiming in with irrelevant "points" and general melee, now it's a worthless waste of time unless you just like arguing with four-year-olds and senile cranks. And if that's how you get your kicks, I could have really used you this past week.

Are you, Vrai of Blonde, going to sit there in sunny Texas, smooching up Connor-Bomb and actually argue that this isn't a brilliant move, for Wayne to run out there and make a mockery of Gregory's self inflicted boo boo? He doesn't have to do it on MSPCP. He can just call a press conference or make it known he wants to come back on Meet the Depressed and support his good friend David in his hour of need? Hell, he could sell 1,000,000 bumper stickers this week "The Second Amendment is even for Idiots like David Gregory"

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Are you, Vrai of Blonde, going to sit there in sunny Texas, smooching up Connor-Bomb and actually argue that this isn't a brilliant move, for Wayne to run out there and make a mockery of Gregory's self inflicted boo boo? He doesn't have to do it on MSPCP. He can just call a press conference or make it known he wants to come back on Meet the Depressed and support his good friend David in his hour of need? Hell, he could sell 1,000,000 bumper stickers this week "The Second Amendment is even for Idiots like David Gregory"

Here's the thing:

How do you argue with "If gun ownership is a crime, then only criminals will own guns"? How do you argue with statistics and pure common sense? How do you argue with history and the plethora of laws that haven't accomplished a single thing?

Yet they do it all the time.

"But...it's got electrolytes..."

YOU are rational. I am rational. A person is rational. Hordes of zealots are not rational and hitting them with common sense gets you nowhere.

Wayne can run out there on every talk show: FOX will give him a bunch of time and a fair debate; the rest will have a gang of gun grabbers on with him to shout him down so he doesn't get a word in edgewise. Soledad O'Brien will just cut his mic if he starts making her look like the dolt she is. We've seen this happen over and over and certainly know how it works by now.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Here's the thing:

How do you argue with "If gun ownership is a crime, then only criminals will own guns"? How do you argue with statistics and pure common sense? How do you argue with history and the plethora of laws that haven't accomplished a single thing?

Yet they do it all the time.

"But...it's got electrolytes..."

YOU are rational. I am rational. A person is rational. Hordes of zealots are not rational and hitting them with common sense gets you nowhere.

Wayne can run out there on every talk show: FOX will give him a bunch of time and a fair debate; the rest will have a gang of gun grabbers on with him to shout him down so he doesn't get a word in edgewise. Soledad O'Brien will just cut his mic if he starts making her look like the dolt she is. We've seen this happen over and over and certainly know how it works by now.

Well, then maybe we oughta turn it over to Gene Simmons then, huh?


Look, you, we, do NOT win an argument by not engaging. We have a very self defeating mindset about the press and it simply isn't true. If it were, Bush 43 never happens let alone his re-election. What is maddening about people like Bush is what they do when they are BEYOND the media, once they've freaking won. ESPECIALLY after he won re-election.

There is every bit of evidence that this latest wave of emotion over banning guns from ever existing is receding. Rapidly. And it's not just because of Wayne and the NRA even though he has been virtually ALL alone. The www, god bless it's endless soul, has had enormous impact as people have rationalized and debated this out. People like Gregory ARE looking like idiots. Obama HAS bailed after making his cursory show of giving a crap.

What we have been doing, trying to play THEIR game, you would agree, has NOT been working and, even if it did, the results, as under Bush, would suck.

So, we stop. Just stop doing the same thing and expecting different results. Isn't it better to make the correct argument and lose but, maybe whittle away at the issue, than to just cave? The entire GOP should be standing behind Wayne and patting him on the back. His position, his argument is sound. It is, to me, a golden chance to win the damn argument by very publicly going to Gregory's defense.

No amount of ADD, no amount of...uh...err...what were we talking about?? Oh, yeah, no amount of media spin can win every argument when they are WRONG and so demonstrably so.

Shout it out loud.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Well, then maybe we oughta turn it over to Gene Simmons then, huh?

We had a chance to turn things over to the successful businessman and we chose the community organizer instead. THAT is really all you need to know about the American voting public.

Look, you, we, do NOT win an argument by not engaging.

Sure you can. While they're arguing, you simply circumvent them and outmaneuver. You will not win an argument against a toddler. You just won't. So stop arguing with them and outflank them.

Besides that, what makes you think the GOP wants to win the argument?

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn

It's funny, but we all know nothing will come out of this "investigation".

I'm sure something along the lines of "the magazine wasn't real", "it was rendered inoperable", etc. will be said. As if ignorance is some kind of excuse.

or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition

render it inoperable all you want, if it can be restored to working order, he is in violation and needs to see the inside of a jail.

only then will he see how foolish it is to go after someone just because they happen to own something that they have never, or have intent to use in a wrongful way.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by bcp

...he is in violation and needs to see the inside of a jail.

only then will he see how foolish it is to go after someone just because they happen to own something that they have never, or have intent to use in a wrongful way.

Boy, is there a BIG part of me that could go for that...

[Merlin99 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

The NRA should race to his defense and use the opportunity to expose just how stunningly ludicrous this 'Anti sheet metal of a certain size slightly larger than that size' is.

Wayne: "This 'clip' does not kill people. In fact, hi cap magazines tend to jam more than low capacity ones, giving a chance to return fire or get away. The guns it fits do not kill people. People kill people. They do it with all sorts of things from baseball bats to knives to revolvers to shotguns to tedious, pedantic, asinine conversations and arguments about sheet metal and springs and followers that makes peoples brains shrivel up and die thereby shutting down the central nervous system and the attendant total collapse and death of innocent victims."

Kind of like when the ACLU defended the KKK, it shows that they're defending everyones gun rights, not just their adherents.

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Boy, is there a BIG part of me that could go for that...

Easy there,,,
First off, stop bragging,
next, I said nothing about prison rape.

[GWguy]

The term large capacity ammunition feeding device shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

This puzzles me. Why would they exclude a large capacity device for a .22? Sure, the .22 doesn't have the power of other calibers, but can still maim, inflict, kill.

I used to have a .22 Mossberg with a cylinder feed, could hold almost a whole box of .22s, I think it was 40 rounds.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by bcp

only then will he see how foolish it is ...

Well, no. That's not how it works. Suddenly the mag issue disappears, then it's all about how evil Repuglicans are persecuting the media and locking them up for disagreeing with the extreme right-wing agenda. Or some other nonsense. But none of these people will EVER acknowledge their foolishness. EVER.

Nobody likes to admit they're wrong, especially not a pompous windbag like David Gregory. If you think the people who've made their living pushing a leftwing agenda will suddenly come to, I don't know what to tell you.