Conspiracy Theory time

[BOP]

I've been trying, without success, to find statistics on the amount of illegal weapons smuggled into the US. I saw one on television that suggested that as many as 400,000 firearms are smuggled into the United States every year.

I can find them on US guns smuggled into just about every country on the planet (especially Mexico), but if all the search engines are to be believed, there is no such thing as firearms smuggled INTO the United States.

Just because I'm paranoid, that doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

[BOP]

I did find this article, after clearing out my browser history (which, in Firefox, apparently doesn't clear EVERYTHING). Note that this article was from 1989.

200 AK-47 Rifles Seized; 4 Alleged Smugglers Arrested - Los Angeles Times

In what authorities called one of the largest weapons seizures in county history, nearly 200 semiautomatic rifles and 80,000 rounds of ammunition were seized by federal agents in Irvine and San Diego, culminating an undercover investigation of a weapons-smuggling ring, it was announced Wednesday.

The two-week investigation by Operation Alliance, a task force composed of members from the U.S. Customs Service, Drug Enforcement Administration and various state and local agencies, ended with the arrests of four men who delivered 98 Chinese-made AK-47 assault weapons, 2 handguns and about 8,000 rounds of ammunition to a customs agent posing as a representative of a drug-trafficking organization in Sinaloa, Mexico.

An additional 93 AK-47 rifles and 70,000 rounds of ammunition belonging to the four men were seized in Irvine, and will be used as evidence against the alleged exporters, agents said.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by BOP

Just because I'm paranoid, that doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

Many times we are paranoid because we *know* they're out to get us.

[MadDogMarine]

Originally Posted by BOP

I've been trying, without success, to find statistics on the amount of illegal weapons smuggled into the US. I saw one on television that suggested that as many as 400,000 firearms are smuggled into the United States every year.

I can find them on US guns smuggled into just about every country on the planet (especially Mexico), but if all the search engines are to be believed, there is no such thing as firearms smuggled INTO the United States.

Just because I'm paranoid, that doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

Statistics are hard to find because the gun/drug running is done by a professional organization thereby not traceable to a "criminal operation"
Much is "legally" smuggled under the radar.
Since guns are readily available in the US, there, by that very fact, would necessitate less gun smuggling. It is more profitable to smuggle drugs.

You need to change your google search terms.
Try "guns + drugs + cia"
CIA doesn't have to stop at customs! How special is that?

A tidbit:
"The plane was a CIA plane, Ochoa told her, and he was "exchanging guns for drugs." The crew, he said, were CIA agents, and "these shipments came each Thursday from the CIA, landing at dusk. Sometimes they brought guns, sometimes they brought U.S. products such as washing machines, gourmet food, fancy furniture or other items for the traffickers which they could not get in Colombia." And each time, Ochoa told Palacio, "they took back drugs."
The CIA, the Contras and Crack Cocaine

[MadDogMarine]

Originally Posted by GURPS

Really - Farakook and the Final Call pedaled that nonsense in the 1990's The CIA ran Guns and Crack into LA so blacks would kill each other in drug wars

Sorry,buddy. A lot more evidence exists than Farakook and Final Call(One in the same).

American agents wounded in Mexico linked to CIA drug planes | MadCow Morning News

A fully documented book

"Based on a 3-year long investigation, Daniel Hopsicker discovered the ‘secret history’ the American Press was afraid to tell… Seal, the most successful drug smuggler in American history, was also — and not coincidentally — a lifelong CIA agent, one of the most famous who ever lived, active in everything from the Bay of Pigs to Watergate to the Kennedy Assassination. And all this before becoming famous for importing tons of cocaine through Mena, Arkansas in the Scandal that won’t go away. "
Barry & 'the Boys' : The CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History: Daniel Hopsicker: 9780970659101: Amazon.com: Books

Here is a reporter who felt the same as you and realized he WAS WRONG!
Ron Paul Had Accurate Conspiracy Theory: CIA Was Tied To Drug Traffickers
"The Washington Post, like the New York Times and Los Angeles Times, published a massive package dedicated to debunking Webb's story. When a congressional investigation later confirmed the major elements of Webb's reporting, the papers barely covered it"

Numerous cases of SWORN TESTIMONY exists for those who have eyes to see! Unless you are one of those paranoids that thinks you are completely surrounded by liars!
Cover Story: Snow Blind (November 21 - November 27, 1996)
" Blum's dramatic charges are supported by a former high-level supervisory CIA officer. Alan Fiers, the former chief of the CIA Central American Task Force, stated in a sworn deposition to the Congressional Iran-Contra committees that "we knew everybody around (Southern Front contra leader Eden) Pastora was involved in cocaine...His staff and friends...were drug smugglers or involved in drug smuggling."

"According to Miami-based John Mattes, a former federal public defender and Iran-Contra investigator for John Kerry, "What we investigated, which is on the record as part of the Kerry Committee Report, is evidence that narcotics traffickers associated with the contra leaders were allowed to smuggle over a ton of cocaine into the United States. Those same contra leaders admitted under oath their association and affiliation with the CIA."


Do your homework before claiming something is false because it is UNCOMFORTABLE FOR YOU TO BELIEVE.:Google search terms.
1) Powerburns: Cocaine, Contras & the Drug War by former DEA agent Celerino Castillo, III
2) Dark Alliance by Gary Webb
3) Barry and the Boys: the CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History by Daniel Hopsicker
4) Whiteout by Alexander Cockburn
5) Cocaine Politics: Drugs, Armies and the CIA in Central America by Peter Dale Scott and
Jonathon Marshall
6) Lost History by Robert Parry
7) The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider by Al Martin
8) The Big White Lie: The Deep Cover Operation That Exposed the CIA Sabotage of the Drug War: An Undercover Odyssey by Michael Levine and Laura Kavanau-Levine
9) The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia by Alfred W. McCoy (from the 1970’s era)
10) Out of Control: The Story of the Reagan Administration’s Secret War in Nicaragua, the Illegal Arms Pipeline, and the Contra Drug Connection by Leslie Cockburn
11) Blue Thunder: How the Mafia Owned and Finally Murdered Cigarette Boat King Donald Aronov by Thomas Burdick and Charlene Mitchell
12) The Mafia, CIA, & George Bush by Pete Brewton
13) Called to Serve by James “Bo” Gritz

[BigBlue]

Originally Posted by BOP

I've been trying, without success, to find statistics on the amount of illegal weapons smuggled into the US. I saw one on television that suggested that as many as 400,000 firearms are smuggled into the United States every year.

I can find them on US guns smuggled into just about every country on the planet (especially Mexico), but if all the search engines are to be believed, there is no such thing as firearms smuggled INTO the United States.

Just because I'm paranoid, that doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

...it was,Pro. Plum With The Lead Pipe In The Library!

[MadDogMarine]

Originally Posted by GURPS

NOT Uncomfortable, I just do not put stock into Racists Claims about Guns, Crack and LA


but it is YOUR contention based on items quoted the CIA was runnng drugs and guns to blacks in LA ?

It is my contention the CIA is running drugs into the USA. Is it your contention the drugs NEVER make it to the blacks in LA?

[BigBlue]

[QUOTE=MadDogMarine;5014661]

[url=http://www.madcowprod.com/2012/08/31/ Those same contra leaders admitted under oath their association and affiliation with the CIA[."


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......really,is this a joke?The right will go to any extent to make up lies.