Lets give up on the Constitution!

[wake_up]

Obama's true agenda.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/op...nted=all&_r=4&

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by wake_up

Obama's true agenda.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/op...nted=all&_r=4&

Someone posted on FB a pic of congress taking their oath yesterday and wondered if Guinness has a record for most people lying in unison.

This is what is so sickening about the GOP; There it is, THE wall at your back, the corner you can fight back out of, to get in these socialists faces and say "Enough! I stand here and fight you with everything I have before you take it all."

We WILL lose it all if we do not stop them. That is simply how it works. World history works in arcs, normally slow, and predictable until it hits something hard and a pivot point occurs. Europe is desperately trying to work away from their state centered governance of the last two generations, moving TOWARDS the individual. Freaking France just had their supreme court throw out a massive tax increase on the wealthy as UNCONSTITUTIONAL and here is the land of the free and the home of the brave running into the quicksand, passing those guys trying to claw their way out of it. The ink is not dry and Obama and company are ALREADY talking about more 'revenue'.

When France is more for the individual than the US, what more do you need as a warning????

Boehner, McConnell, have got the Constitution as their back but, they won't use it. Maybe they don't believe in it. Maybe they can't because their constituents don't.

They're called principles for a reason. They are there for use when times are tough, when uncertainty arises, at pivot points. However, if we don't use them, they will be washed away and the GOP is adrift because no one can fight back because, since 2001, we simply are not of the same mind anymore. We do not share principles any more. Not on spending, not on guns, not on immigration, energy, Wall Street, entitlements, bail outs, none of it.
Med Part D, total lack of reform on SS/Med, Too Big To Fail, DHS, TSA, Patriot Act, The Stimulus, runaway immigration, crushing energy costs, Obamacare and now raising taxes ON EVERYONE which seems to be completely lost. And all I can say is we know what we've been doing. Given the results, there's your pivot point.

The State. This is histories arc right now in the US. The State.

Government of the people, by the government, for the government.

[tommyjo]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Someone posted on FB a pic of congress taking their oath yesterday and wondered if Guinness has a record for most people lying in unison.

This is what is so sickening about the GOP; There it is, THE wall at your back, the corner you can fight back out of, to get in these socialists faces and say "Enough! I stand here and fight you with everything I have before you take it all."

We WILL lose it all if we do not stop them. That is simply how it works. World history works in arcs, normally slow, and predictable until it hits something hard and a pivot point occurs. Europe is desperately trying to work away from their state centered governance of the last two generations, moving TOWARDS the individual. Freaking France just had their supreme court throw out a massive tax increase on the wealthy as UNCONSTITUTIONAL and here is the land of the free and the home of the brave running into the quicksand, passing those guys trying to claw their way out of it. The ink is not dry and Obama and company are ALREADY talking about more 'revenue'.

When France is more for the individual than the US, what more do you need as a warning????

Boehner, McConnell, have got the Constitution as their back but, they won't use it. Maybe they don't believe in it. Maybe they can't because their constituents don't.

They're called principles for a reason. They are there for use when times are tough, when uncertainty arises, at pivot points. However, if we don't use them, they will be washed away and the GOP is adrift because no one can fight back because, since 2001, we simply are not of the same mind anymore. We do not share principles any more. Not on spending, not on guns, not on immigration, energy, Wall Street, entitlements, bail outs, none of it.
Med Part D, total lack of reform on SS/Med, Too Big To Fail, DHS, TSA, Patriot Act, The Stimulus, runaway immigration, crushing energy costs, Obamacare and now raising taxes ON EVERYONE which seems to be completely lost. And all I can say is we know what we've been doing. Given the results, there's your pivot point.

The State. This is histories arc right now in the US. The State.

Government of the people, by the government, for the government.

Another ridiculous monlogue.

France is more for the individual than the US? Please, get your head out of your keister. Their high court knocked down a rate increase to 75%...we just passed an increase to 39.6% from 36%. How is that even comparable?

On one hand you piss and moan about no reform of Social Security and on the other complain about re-instating the full Social Security tax that should have never been cut in the first place? Make up your damn mind.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by tommyjo

Another ridiculous monlogue.

France is more for the individual than the US? Please, get your head out of your keister. Their high court knocked down a rate increase to 75%...we just passed an increase to 39.6% from 36%. How is that even comparable?
.

Well, gee. France cut taxes. We increased them. I really can't explain the difference any better than that.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by tommyjo

On one hand you piss and moan about no reform of Social Security and on the other complain about re-instating the full Social Security tax that should have never been cut in the first place? Make up your damn mind.

This is to assume, something I've noticed you often do in place of thought, that 'reforming' social security is about the tax side. My mind has long been made up that we don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem.

Here. I'll give you a simple example even you, well, maybe you, can handle;

If you have a company and there is enormous economic pressure against your goods/services and people are not buying enough of your stuff, do you, A, raise prices or, B, lower costs?

As I am impatient and figure you'll probably get it wrong anyway, here:

"Reforming" our entitlements has NOTHING to do with more taxes unless you believe in the 100% tax rates they will soon require. Reform has everything to do with cutting the cost side.

<--------- Shiner Wild Hare

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by GURPS

Sorry I do not see it that way .......

NO France did not CUT Taxes, the PM just had a tax increase denied before it was implemented .........

And we did....what????

[Steelerdude]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

This is to assume, something I've noticed you often do in place of thought, that 'reforming' social security is about the tax side. My mind has long been made up that we don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem.

Here. I'll give you a simple example even you, well, maybe you, can handle;

If you have a company and there is enormous economic pressure against your goods/services and people are not buying enough of your stuff, do you, A, raise prices or, B, lower costs?

As I am impatient and figure you'll probably get it wrong anyway, here:

"Reforming" our entitlements has NOTHING to do with more taxes unless you believe in the 100% tax rates they will soon require. Reform has everything to do with cutting the cost side.

<--------- Shiner Wild Hare

It's a good thing you don't run a business. You would fail quickly. It's not purely an "A" or "B" choice. Nor are the economic issues we have today.

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Steelerdude

It's a good thing you don't run a business. You would fail quickly. It's not purely an "A" or "B" choice. Nor are the economic issues we have today.

Joke right?


How many years has your business been running now Larry?

[Steelerdude]

No joke. I'm certainly not laughing at the ignorance on display on these boards.

[thurley42]

Originally Posted by Steelerdude

No joke. I'm certainly not laughing at the ignorance on display on these boards.

I think his point was Larry had been running a successful business for many years.

You'd think you would have realized thAt, but I see you're a Steelers fan so we can explain it slower if needed.