Martin Luther King Jr.

[itsrequired]

Originally Posted by bcp

I think it would have been wonderful if Martin Luther Kings dream would have been realized, however, it has not. and will not be realized.

You see, I dont think that he had any thoughts of black people obtaining their postions simply because of the color of their skin, or that those blacks that didnt want to work would be kept as pets of society.

His dream was that blacks, ALL blacks would be treated equally to whites, that they would not be judged by the color of their skin, even if it was to benefit them.
He would roll over in his grave if he saw what his "dream" has become.

Instead of being treated as equals, they are now being looked at in the same manner that they were in Kings time, in the same manner that they were looked at the day he made his speech, the day he was shot.

The government, through its affirmative action programs, its minority targeting programs etc.. is telling us that the blacks are not equal, they are less, but we must endure their stupidity in the school and in the work force.

That was not what the Great Martin Luther King had in mind. In his dream he saw a world were blacks would have the opportunity to achieve, the same as a white, where they would have the opportunity to fail, the same as a white. Where their hard work and achievements would be the driving factor in their success. Not some program or programs designed to keep racism alive and well.

I think there is a some validity in what you are saying, but I think overall there are people of color who have achieved success because people have looked beyond the color of their skin. I look at Clarence Thomas, Condolezza Rice, Amy Holmes, Colon Powell, and the list goes on and on.

In 1960, these people wouldn’t have been able to achieve the things they have achieved. That is my point. I don’t think we are ever going to be a society who totally ignores race because of the individual racism which will always exist.

I do think however, that widespread govenrmental and institutional racism that was prevelent in the sixties is gone. I do think that when you have a figure such as Obama, who I think is an idiot, but who can be propelled to the head of his party when in 1961, King was hit with rocks in the city that politician was from speaks volumes that people will ignore race.

It is not lost on me that there are individuals who voted for and against this guy soley based on his race. I would even say there are more people who voted for him because of his race. My point is that he had a chance, where fifty years ago there was no chance at all.

I would much rather a President Rice, or a President Thomas.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

I'll believe that we're approaching true equality as soon as:

Black history month is done away with. You can't favor any one race over another and there aren't enough months in the year to favor each race

There is NO specific push for racial quotas in job hiring

They do away with Espanol on every American product & manual and I don't have to press ANYTHING for English in America. Acclimate or vacate!

All races are allowed to succeed or fail w/o sucking off of the gov't programs. My ancestors did it, so can yours

Welfare is reformed properly so there is a work incentive and people are removed from welfare if other children are born while on the program

There's more but that's enough for now...

[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by itsrequired

I think there is a some validity in what you are saying, but I think overall there are people of color who have achieved success because people have looked beyond the color of their skin. I look at Clarence Thomas, Condolezza Rice, Amy Holmes, Colon Powell, and the list goes on and on.

In 1960, these people wouldn’t have been able to achieve the things they have achieved. That is my point. I don’t think we are ever going to be a society who totally ignores race because of the individual racism which will always exist.

Most of the folks you mentioned have been called Uncle Toms and other racial comments by the left. My Lord, hard work and great parenting is racial in their mindset. Just pisses me off (I raised a biracial family).

I think it's different recently as the black family is now in disarray. Take a look at the folks you tout as success. Two parent families. Take a look at a typical black family now. I rest my case.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by itsrequired

In 1960, these people wouldn’t have been able to achieve the things they have achieved.

There were many accomplished blacks in the 60s and prior to. Ever hear of Shirley Chisholm? How about Thurgood Marshall? Ralph Bunche? Gen. Benjamin Oliver Davis, perhaps?

Yes, there are more opportunities for blacks to achieve now, that is true. But I'm pretty sure Dr. King wasn't talking about screaming "racist!" every time someone disagrees with a black person or mentions black crime rates. "Content of character" was a key phrase in that part of his speech.

Barack Obama and his minions have personally set race relations back to Reconstruction times.

[itsrequired]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Yes, there are more opportunities for blacks to achieve now, that is true. But I'm pretty sure Dr. King wasn't talking about screaming "racist!" every time someone disagrees with a black person or mentions black crime rates. "Content of character" was a key phrase in that part of his speech.

Were any of those people, in the 1960's, the Chairman of the Joint Chief's of Staff? Were any of those people, in the 1960's the Secretary of State of the United States? Were any of those people in the 1960's the CEO of a major United States Corporation? Were any of those people in the 1960's the president of the United States of America?

[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by itsrequired

Were any of those people, in the 1960's, the Chairman of the Joint Chief's of Staff? Were any of those people, in the 1960's the Secretary of State of the United States? Were any of those people in the 1960's the CEO of a major United States Corporation? Were any of those people in the 1960's the president of the United States of America?

And all because of MLK's speech, these achievements were possible? Or was it the content of the character of their two parent families?

Liberal values have destroyed minority families.

[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by itsrequired

That is my point. I don’t think we are ever going to be a society who totally ignores race because of the individual racism which will always exist.
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Apparently you missed my point. Institutionalized racism operating under the guise of "diversity initiatives" is taking off like a rocket. That has zip squat to do with any "individual racism"..and to be perfectly blunt about it, my complete disgust with, and utter disdain for, all this institutional diversity crap is quite likely to turn me in to a racist of some kind or other. This kind of active discrimination creates strife and discord where none existed before..and its only getting worse. And fast.

did you know...that the US NAvy has recently actually stood up a "Diversity Command"??? Woe be un to anyone in the rest of the Navy that does not toe their lines and follow their directives. Do not get caught not having at least half of the sailors in the background of your published photo op be minorities...even if those minorities make up only 10-15% of the people under your command. You know...like their percentage is in the real world. Make sure someone on your staff can photoshop some extra color in to any unit photo when necessary.

[itsrequired]

Originally Posted by cwo_ghwebb

And all because of MLK's speech, these achievements were possible? Or was it the content of the character of their two parent families?

Liberal values have destroyed minority families.

I agree with that.


What does that have to do with where we have come as a society? In 1960, it wouldn't have mattered in many places if they were from a single family or a two parent home. People would not have given them a chance because of he color of their skin. That isn't the case today.

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by itsrequired

I agree with that.


What does that have to do with where we have come as a society? In 1960, it wouldn't have mattered in many places if they were from a single family or a two parent home. People would not have given them a chance because of he color of their skin. That isn't the case today.

I understand what you are saying and I agree that barriers have come down. That being said I too have also witnessed black people that worked there way up the ladder in life only to be begrudged by people of their own race. It doesn't make sense they the arms reaching for those people above them are trying to pull them back down rather than nudge them forward as they move up themselves. Sad. Very sad and not at all what MLK intended.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

No they're not. And what's going on today is nothing like what Dr. King had in mind.

Even Dr. King's niece says the same thing...

King for America : Dr. Alveda King