Ann Coulter Stumbles on Abortion

[Chasey_Lane]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

What IS the real issue? Whether men should have say-so over abortion?

I want a say-so over a vasectomy.

[FromTexas]

Originally Posted by Chasey_Lane

I want a say-so over a vasectomy.

Can I have one?

[Chasey_Lane]

Originally Posted by FromTexas

Can I have one?

Do you want one?

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by FromTexas

Can I have one?

Shoot, I'll give you one for free. It'll just take a second....

Originally Posted by pixiegirl

Good point. Personal example. I've had an ectopic pregnancy. There was nothing wrong with the fetus but because it had implanted in my tube the pregnancy had to be terminated or else my tube was sure to rupture. If I died as a result there is no way the pregnancy could have continued. It's not a choice to end the pregnancy most of the time it's a must. Furthermore, had I died I would have left behind a son who's life would have surely been impacted.

I'm not saying that I disagree about the point you're trying to make for stem cell research. I don't think that the comparison you're making is a good one in order to support your stance.

Actually, I think you've settled the issue. In your circumstance, both you and the baby would have been lost, so it's a 50/50 split... a push if you will. But then you brought in the issue of your son, and how it was imperative that you live so that you could raise him. By adding that issue to the mix, you're in fact saying that you gave up one child to save another. So, what would you say to someone who has a late-term fetus aborted so that's its heart could be extracted to save the life of a son who's heart was failing? Or aborting a fetus to get stem cells to grow a new heart at some point in the future?

Originally Posted by Chasey_Lane

I want a say-so over a vasectomy.

Why? Your man's sperm is not your property. You have no involvement with it's production, and you are in no way responsible or bilogically connected to it (while it's in his body at least.) If a man has a vasectomy, and you want to have kids, you always have the option of finding a new guy with intact pipes.

That's a lot different from a child who's only 50% yours.

[pixiegirl]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Actually, I think you've settled the issue. In your circumstance, both you and the baby would have been lost, so it's a 50/50 split... a push if you will. But then you brought in the issue of your son, and how it was imperative that you live so that you could raise him. By adding that issue to the mix, you're in fact saying that you gave up one child to save another. So, what would you say to someone who has a late-term fetus aborted so that's its heart could be extracted to save the life of a son who's heart was failing? Or aborting a fetus to get stem cells to grow a new heart at some point in the future?

You're skewing my point. I didn't give up one child to save another. I gave up one child to save myself plus my child. It's a 2 for 1 deal if you're going to use it that way.


So, what would you say to someone who has a late-term fetus aborted so that's its heart could be extracted to save the life of a son who's heart was failing? I would say hell no. A lot of that choice is based on emotion and or morals. A late term fetus is viable on it's own. If a woman's life is in danger in late pregnancy they don't usually preform abortions, they just deliver the baby prematurely.

Or aborting a fetus to get stem cells to grow a new heart at some point in the future? I'm not totally against this in the early stages of pregnancy.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Cha-ching! You win! Tell her what her prize is Johnny!

Schmat-azz.

I was going to say, "No, men should have no say-so over abortion." Then I read Chasey's post in the other thread about her child support and now I say, "HELL NO, men should not have any say-so about abortion".

I change my mind about this from week to week, btw.

I guess I feel like, when our court system consistently makes men responsible for their offspring, both legally and financially, then men can have a say in the fate of their unborn child. As it stands, men can opt-out of the child situation pretty easily and there's nothing the woman can do about it, unless she wants to spend a fortune on lawyers and years trying to pin him down.

And another thing:

I've heard many men complain about the care their kids are receiving at the hands of their ex-wife, but few of them try for custody.

"She does this and this with my poor kids."
"Why don't you get custody?"
"Courts never award custody to the men. Plus I travel so much with my job...and I don't have the money for a lawyer..."

[vraiblonde]

The moral of the story is simple:

Don't have sex with jerks, then you'll never have to worry about having kids with them.

Excellent moral vrai.