Ann Coulter Stumbles on Abortion

[pixiegirl]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

The moral of the story is simple:

Don't have sex with jerks, then you'll never have to worry about having kids with them.

[Chasey_Lane]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Why? Your man's sperm is not your property. You have no involvement with it's production, and you are in no way responsible or bilogically connected to it (while it's in his body at least.) If a man has a vasectomy, and you want to have kids, you always have the option of finding a new guy with intact pipes.

That's a lot different from a child who's only 50% yours.

How do you know the baby she's carrying is yours?

[Pete]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Schmat-azz.

I guess I feel like, when our court system consistently makes men responsible for their offspring, both legally and financially, then men can have a say in the fate of their unborn child. As it stands, men can opt-out of the child situation pretty easily and there's nothing the woman can do about it, unless she wants to spend a fortune on lawyers and years trying to pin him down.

Actually the states all have agencies that will do this. Unfortunately many women do not persist either due to lack of knowledge or laziness in trying for support enforcement. The states have been much more aggressive in support enforcement than in the past. The states will garnish wages, suspend drivers licenses, professional licenses, and even jail men and women who do not pay support. Granted if these men want to live in a van down by the river and can earn unreported income for the rest of their lives there is little you can do.

Chasey, have you written letters to the Support Enforcement agency here in MD? Have you filed a contempt of court motion? If you are supposed to be getting support and you are not, you can make their lives a living hell IF you push for it. The state wont do it for you if you don't ask.

[Chasey_Lane]

Originally Posted by Pete

Chasey, have you written letters to the Support Enforcement agency here in MD? Have you filed a contempt of court motion? If you are supposed to be getting support and you are not, you can make their lives a living hell IF you push for it. The state wont do it for you if you don't ask.

Nope. It's an ego-booster knowing that I don't need his money to support my child.

[pixiegirl]

Originally Posted by Pete

Actually the states all have agencies that will do this. Unfortunately many women do not persist either due to lack of knowledge or laziness in trying for support enforcement. The states have been much more aggressive in support enforcement than in the past. The states will garnish wages, suspend drivers licenses, professional licenses, and even jail men and women who do not pay support. Granted if these men want to live in a van down by the river and can earn unreported income for the rest of their lives there is little you can do.

Chasey, have you written letters to the Support Enforcement agency here in MD? Have you filed a contempt of court motion? If you are supposed to be getting support and you are not, you can make their lives a living hell IF you push for it. The state wont do it for you if you don't ask.

I have! Once and it was worthless. Non-payment of child support is a crime. Why should "I" have to constantly take action to have the law upheld? I certainly don't have to call the police barracks to have a speed trap set up on 235 to give me a speeding ticket for breaking the law.

You are totally right Pete, which I think suspending a person's license is a bunch of crap in an attempt to enforce support, but that is besides the point, it is done.

I say that because many of the people I deal with everyday do work but don't make enough to pay everything they need to pay, so they will take that chance and drive back and forth to work. Then they end up locked up for driving while suspended or driving while revoked, and what good does that do anyone? Something is better than nothing. They cannot pay when they are in jail.

But complaining about child support when you've done nothing to collect is the same as complaining about the president of the U.S. when you didn't vote. IMO Sure it is a hassle, but you have to start somewhere.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Chasey_Lane

Nope. It's an ego-booster knowing that I don't need his money to support my child.

Then I would suggest that you cannot whip out the "That bastard owes me child support money" if you do not force the issue." I make it a point 2 or 3 times a year to remind my ex wife what her arrearage is, and to give her my correct address to be sure that her checks do not get lost in the mail. I like having the leverage so I have not had her wages garnished in a couple years, but I don't let her forget that she still owes me and the clicker clicks every week.

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by Chasey_Lane

Nope. It's an ego-booster knowing that I don't need his money to support my child.

Chasey, I think it's great they you are making it on your own, but I have to wonder if you aren't doing a dis-service to your daughter by not enforcing the support due her... if you are doing fine without it... then that means that is a pretty good chuck you could be tucking away for her future. I'd re-think things if I were you...

[Pete]

Originally Posted by pixiegirl

I have! Once and it was worthless. Non-payment of child support is a crime. Why should "I" have to constantly take action to have the law upheld? I certainly don't have to call the police barracks to have a speed trap set up on 235 to give me a speeding ticket for breaking the law.

You are correct, and the authorities cannot go after the criminals unless you report the crime. Make a form letter, change the date and mail it to the Support Enforcement agency every week. Write letters to the Governor, Department head, Attorney General and I guarentee you will get satisfaction sooner than if you go one time and complain then stop.

Originally Posted by Chasey_Lane

Nope. It's an ego-booster knowing that I don't need his money to support my child.

You see... this is what drives men crazy!!!

Woman: You men are all horrible and irresponsible! My poor child is suffering because it's father isn't paying child support!

Man: Have you contacted the authorities asked them to make the father pay?

Woman: Nope. It's an ego-booster knowing that I don't need his money to support my child.

Goes well with...

Man: What do you want for your birthday?

Woman: Nothing special.

Two weeks later...

Woman: What the hell do you think you're doing giving me nothing special for my birthday you creep! I HATE YOU!