Ann Coulter Stumbles on Abortion

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It isn't often that I disagree with Ms. Coulter, but I have some issues with her latest piece. First, she talks about how Hillary Clinton was wrong to say that she had respect for those who believe that "there are no circumstances under which any abortion should ever be available." Coulter's response is: "I've never heard of anyone who thinks abortion should not be "available" to save the life of the mother. There was never a law in any state that prohibited abortion to save the life of the mother. If Hillary "respects" even this (nonexistent) lunatic fringe of the pro-life movement, she must adore the rest of us!"

That's a pretty important point, that there was never a law in any state that prohibited abortion to save the life of the mother. Now, cut to the stem cell research issue. If a fetus can, and apparently in Coulter's opinion should be, terminated if the mother's life is at stake, then why can't they be terminated to save the life of anybody? If it's okay to terminate a fetus to save a mother, why wouldn't it be okay to terminate one because a dying man needs some replacement parts? Why should a mother's life be any more precious than anyone else's?

The other thing that got my goat was her statement that: "Note that men in the poll were more supportive of abortion than women, which is perfectly in keeping with the pro-abortion orthodoxy that men should have no say in this matter, unless they're saying "yes, dear." Once again, NARAL and I are in agreement! It's a "woman's issue"; could you men please just butt out?" Why is it that when men and women discuss household income, it's "ours", the house is "ours", the responsibilities for running the household are "ours", but the topic of abortion is "mine" in regards to women? In our country there are laws that protect the right's of wives in every regard. Men can't even take a small loan out from the 401K without getting notarized approval from the wife. Men have to get the significant other's approval before selling a car or a home that the wife's name is on. Yet women can go ahead and kill their child with the father having no say in it. Coulter feels that men shouldn't have a say because many men support abortion as a means of shirking their responsibilities as a father. That is a pretty self-serving point of view, much like supporting the placing of a mother's life over that of her child.

Guys... I think it's time that we form an Amalgomated Union of American Men and start getting some "mine" rights of our own!

[Chasey_Lane]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

http://www.anncoulter.org/cgi-local/article.cgi



Guys... I think it's time that we form an Amalgomated Union of American Men and start getting some "mine" rights of our own!

You carry the baby for nine months, endure hours of exhausting labor and raise the child for 18 years while Mom skips town. How's that for your "mine" rights?

Originally Posted by Chasey_Lane

You carry the baby for nine months, endure hours of exhausting labor and raise the child for 18 years while Mom skips town. How's that for your "mine" rights?

Oh please... I'm so sick and tired of mothers whining about carrying a child for nine months and then going through labor. I expect the effort to be raised to the level of "creating the Earth in six days" anyday now. Did you ever stop to consider the fact that while you're in labor it's usually late at night or early in the morning, and there's nothing for the Dad's to watch on TV in the waiting room, or no place to go get a burger? Do you ever think about how miserable you being miserable makes us? No... it's always all about you!

There's a reason why men die sooner than women, and it's most commonly defined as stress. Women make carrying a child for nine months and being in pain for 12 hours or so out to be a lifetime burden that deserves special treatment. Forget the fact that some Dad has to go and work a crummy job for years so he can make enough to support his family; come home to a messy home and no dinner because Mom's too "exhaused from the baby" to do any housework; then have to get up at 2:00AM to feed the baby because it's "our responsibility... we're a team remember?" Then when he's had enough and calls it quits, the state makes sure that they take most of his salary, his house, and half of what he owns, and gives it to his team mate, because all of those things were "ours."

And ladies, you can all put down your keyboards... well... some of you can. I know that many of you will lace up your boots and want to stomp me for unfairly criticizing mothers, and that many of you work in and out of the home just as hard to support your family as the father does. But many don't, and many fathers thoughout their lives go though a hell of a lot more pain and suffering than nine months and a dozen hours, so give them a break. We're all supposed to be in this together right? Be careful - don't say "yes" to that question unless you're willing to also say that fathers should have the right to veto an abortion. An equal partnership isn't very equal when one side has more rights than the other.

What would be the big problem with giving fathers veto rights over an abortion? My wife of twenty years has plenty of legal veto power over everything I do. If Ms. Coulter is right, and men are a bunch of unresponsible pigs who will do anything to get out of fatherhood, why would any woman fear being forced to produce a child by the father's wishes? It seems that that mentality would guarantee approval.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Chasey_Lane

You carry the baby for nine months, endure hours of exhausting labor and raise the child for 18 years while Mom skips town. How's that for your "mine" rights?

I am doing that Well not the carry for 9 months part and he was delivered C-section and that took an hour.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Chasey_Lane

You carry the baby for nine months, endure hours of exhausting labor and raise the child for 18 years while Mom skips town. How's that for your "mine" rights?

She has a point, Bru.

Why is it that when men and women discuss household income, it's "ours", the house is "ours", the responsibilities for running the household are "ours", but the topic of abortion is "mine" in regards to women?

Because they can share those things equally. With childbirth, it's all the woman. Sure, Daddy-O can take it over after the fact, but up until the moment of birth, the woman is wildly inconvenienced for 9 or more months.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I'm so sick and tired of mothers whining about carrying a child for nine months and then going through labor.

I would like, Sir, to see you try and do it. Men piss and moan when they have a cold or stub their toe - can you imagne what they'd be like with morning sickness or chronic heartburn, not to mention the birthing process?

I've always said that if it were up to men to give birth and repopulate the world, humans would become extinct.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

She has a point, Bru.


Because they can share those things equally. With childbirth, it's all the woman. Sure, Daddy-O can take it over after the fact, but up until the moment of birth, the woman is wildly inconvenienced for 9 or more months.

I have to disagree. 9 months of inconveinience and child birth does not equate to a certificate that allows total control once the seed has been planted IMO. That fetus/baby/person is 50% me genetically, and 100% me emotionally.

I am a man and I gladly accepted the responsibility of raising me kid. I get a chill thinking, after having him for 7 years, the thought that he could have been vacuumed out in a doctors office one afternoon no matter what I said about it.

In the "It's my body" argument I have long thought that the "It's my kid too" argument has been lost. What is the problem with letting the father of the child take responsibility for raising it if the mother doesn't want to? Afterall it is his kid too.

[ylexot]

IMO the men vs. women is very related to the abortion issue itself:

Opinion A) It's not a child, so the woman has sole responsibility/control.
Opinion B) It is a child, so it is a societal issue that needs to determine circumstances for legal abortions including men's/women's rights. I'd wager that the vast majority of people that subscribe to opinion B are also against the vast majority of aboritions to begin with. In which case the men's vs. women's rights isn't even an issue.

[Ken King]

You know what would be interesting for this discussion would be what that 3rd child Roe had would say on this matter now that she is 30+ years old.

[Tonio]

Note that men in the poll were more supportive of abortion than women

That doesn't jibe with my experience. I typically hear pro-life opinions from men and pro-choice opinions from women. Also, on my college campus, the pro-life group was something like 75 percent male, while the pro-choice group was almost all women.