Christians in bull's-eye in new 'hate crimes' plan

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

That is NOT what that passage means! It simply means that God told the people to stop that sinful lifestyle and they chose not to, so He allowed them (by their own free will), to continue in it and later face their own destruction (judgment). No more, no less. DON'T you ever say that God is OK with homosexuality! He cares about them very much, as we Christians do, but He will not tolerate their lifestyles just as we do not. Then, at least finish the passage where it says in vs 32 "although they KNOW God's righteous decrees that those who who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them".

I know that many Christians interpret those passages that way above but that is not what the Bible says.

It is true that people know what they are doing and they do have the choice of repentance but the Bible states in fact that God turned them over to their lust.

I see it the same as going to jail, because it is said that the criminals put themselves into the jail by committing the crime, but it is the jail keeper that locks that door, and God put the homosexual into a kind of jail and by repentance they can get free.

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

You're an idiot.

Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

You're an idiot.

A very astute and thought-provoking argument.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

There is no such thing as a hate crime. What? Some crimes are done out of love? Hate crime legislation is just a way of pushing an agenda.

The federal government is too pervasive in the lives of citizens now, and it gets worse every year. I love what this country was intended to be; I hate what it is becoming. The founders were right to suspect that the government they were founding would outlast its purpose. The tyrannical elite in Washington usurp more powers from the states and the citizens and the average person doesn't even realize or is too self absorbed or ignorant to care.

People will go about their business and laws will be passed. By the time they find out what laws were passed and how it affects them, it'll be too late.

[forestal]

err, It's usually Christians burning the crosses on people's lawns, not muslims, jews, buddists, what-have-you. They typically belong to the KKK, but I wouldn't expect a holy roller like yourself to know this.

Originally Posted by ptbrien

Ever hear of people getting crosses burned on their lawn. Christians still get persecuted (not thrown to the lions) for believing in God, Jesus and the Bible. The media doesn't want to show it. Oh wait, if it's not it in the (bleedingheartliberalpinkocommie) media, then it must not exist!

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by JPC sr

Right there the Bible states that it is God that turned women into lesbians and God turned men into homosexuals.
So Christians are intolerant of God's own doings, and so the Christians are wrong.

Above, you said that God did it and below, you said that criminals put themselves into the jail. WHY DO YOU DOUBLETALK? It can't be both ways.

Originally Posted by JPC sr

The bible states in fact that God turned them over to their lust. It is said that the criminals put themselves into the jail by committing the crime...and God put the homosexual into a kind of jail and by repentance they can get free.

God is simply the driver. Each of us individually chooses our actions. God gives us all a way out and it's up to us to choose. Jesus healed many people of their sicknesses & handicaps because they didn't choose to be that way. He destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah AFTER giving them a chance to come out of that lifestyle. They wouldn't! If it was something they were born with, He would have cured them, but since it was their choice, He destroyed them. OK? I'm simply telling you that God DIDN'T make them that way.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

You're an idiot.

Really? Since you NOW have been asked twice, you might just consider explaining why you feel this way about me. I disagree with people on this forum but I don't resort to denigrating them. I simply state what I disagree with and why.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by forestal

bleh, unless they're in a muslim country, Christians aren't ever the victims of hate crimes.

We are being severely silenced by many hate groups including the democrats. In Canada they can't even talk about homosexuality. If Pelosi and the ACLU has their way, we won't even be able to say anything about God or sin ANYWHERE in the USA! We consider this a hate crime but our "leaders" don't. And please, DO NOT CALL THE KKK a Christian group!

[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Above, you said that God did it and below, you said that criminals put themselves into the jail. WHY DO YOU DOUBLETALK? It can't be both ways.

Yes it can be both ways. God does His part and we do our part. It is as a two edged sword that cuts both ways.

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

God is simply the driver. Each of us individually chooses our actions. God gives us all a way out and it's up to us to choose.

There it is, a two way sword, it cuts both ways, it works both ways. God does His part and mankind does their parts.

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Jesus healed many people of their sicknesses & handicaps because they didn't choose to be that way. He destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah AFTER giving them a chance to come out of that lifestyle. They wouldn't! If it was something they were born with, He would have cured them, but since it was their choice, He destroyed them.

That is it again, people chose their way and God acted in His way. A person does wrong and God heals them anyway, and another person does right and God gives them hardships anyway. He gave Jesus the hardest of hardships. That is the way the system works. Being a deciple means to get greater trials and to be a sinner means to receive hardships. A two edged sword that cuts both ways. Amen.

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

OK? I'm simply telling you that God DIDN'T make them that way.

That is correct that people are not created as homosexuals and they choose that lifestyle but God created people with that capacity and God puts the swine into the pens where they belong.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Really? Since you NOW have been asked twice, you might just consider explaining why you feel this way about me. I disagree with people on this forum but I don't resort to denigrating them. I simply state what I disagree with and why.

You're comments of the enemy within show extremism, the very same thing we're fighting against. As a Democrat, and one who has supported the surge and one who wants to see a strong America, I resented those comments. But, people like you take what forestool and JPC post and see that as the thoughts of most liberals, instead of actually listening to Democrats with an open mind. You brought up some good points about the bible, but I was already turned off to what you have to say on here with that enemy within remark.