CBS Garbage Hit Piece on "Assault Weapons"

[AK-74me]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...and I think, just guessing here, most of our street gangs types are missing one or two of those requirements.

LOL, I'd say.

[Chain729 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Novus Collectus

And that's another thing, they keep talking about how "assault wepons" fire bullets that can penetrate standard police vests, but then they show holding a 9mm Uzi that can't.

A few years ago someone attacked a police station in Virginia murdering two police officers. He had six guns with him; four handguns, a semi auto AK47 variant and a 30-06 hunting rifle.........The two cops were killed by the 30-06 hunting rifle.
The news reports at the time focussed on the AK47 variant of course as if he used that to murder the cops.

"AK-47 variant?" What's that? AFAIK, the only thing close is an SKS. I'd be suprised if an SKS round wouldn't penetrate a vest- especially at close range.

Not saying I know any better. On the contrary, I'm looking for more info any corrections.

[AK-74me]

Originally Posted by Chain729

"AK-47 variant?" What's that? AFAIK, the only thing close is an SKS. I'd be suprised if an SKS round wouldn't penetrate a vest- especially at close range.

Not saying I know any better. On the contrary, I'm looking for more info any corrections.

Like a MAC 90, it just means it is not a true full auto AK, and an SKS shoots the same round as most AK's 7.62x39 and that will penerate all soft body armor as far as I know.

[Chain729 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by AK-74me

Like a MAC 90, it just means it is not a true full auto AK, and an SKS shoots the same round as most AK's 7.62x39 and that will penerate all soft body armor as far as I know.

Gotcha

Actually I own 2 SKS's. One Russian with a detachable mag mod and a Chinese with the bayonet and cleaning kit. I know the SKS is the predecessor to the AK, but I still don't know much about AK's.

[Novus Collectus]

Originally Posted by Chain729

"AK-47 variant?" What's that? AFAIK, the only thing close is an SKS. I'd be suprised if an SKS round wouldn't penetrate a vest- especially at close range.

Not saying I know any better. On the contrary, I'm looking for more info any corrections.

As Ak 47-me said. An AK variant is a rifle that at the least used an AK47 action (operating system) and internals. An SKS uses a totally different system and also has different external configuration and can never be called an AK47 variant.

Most police issue vests are not rated to stop most rifle ammunition and some handgun ammo and will not stop 7.62x39, but most are rated to handle hot 9mm pistol ammo which most Uzis fire.

[Novus Collectus]

Originally Posted by Chain729

Gotcha

Actually I own 2 SKS's. One Russian with a detachable mag mod and a Chinese with the bayonet and cleaning kit. I know the SKS is the predecessor to the AK, but I still don't know much about AK's.

Actually the two are unrelated in design. The relationship the two have is they both fire the same round, and the Simonov was what the Russians used for a number of years before being replaced by the different AK47. They have different designers and different concepts on mechanics.

[ImnoMensa]

Is anyone trying to say that CBS and Katie Couric cannot be trusted.? Horrors. Shades of Dan Rather. You think they would make this stuff up??

I didnt see this I never watch CBS,but if Couric had anything to do with it, its as p[hony as her smile or Hillary's cackle.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by Chain729

Gotcha

Actually I own 2 SKS's. One Russian with a detachable mag mod and a Chinese with the bayonet and cleaning kit. I know the SKS is the predecessor to the AK, but I still don't know much about AK's.

The SKS and AK 47 are totally different guns. Real AK-47s are assault rifles, with detachable 30 round box magazines, and pistol grips. The SKS is a semiautomatic carbine with a fixed 10 round magazine and a conventional stock (although there are aftermarket parts to change the cosmetics).

The action is also different; the AK uses rotary bolt and the SKS has a tilting bolt. The SKS uses a two-piston recoil system. This helps tame the recoil down some. The AK uses a long-stroke piston that is inherently less accurate because of the long travel of the piston on recoil.

No part is interchangeable. Both guns use the same ammo, 7.62x39. Generally when people talk about AK-47s, they really mean semiautomatic versions of the AKM rifle.
Three most common variations of the SKS

• The pinned barrel Chinese
• The screwed-in barrel Chinese
• The Russian SKS

There are also 3 variations of the AK Clones

• The Chinese stamped receiver (folded and riveted sheet steel)
• The Chinese forged receiver (machined and milled).
• The Hungarian made SA-85.

The differences between the Hungarian and the Chinese is exactly like that of the Russian SKS versus the Chinese.

• There are plenty of US aftermarket parts for the SKS. These include detachable magazines with the same curve as the AKs, but with a "duckbill" on the front. There's another kind without the duckbill that requires an insertable adapter.
• There are less common models of the SKS that have been modified to feed from AK magazines. These are known as the Model 84 (pre-ban, with bayonet) and the SKS-D (with 16" barrel and standard or thumbhole stock.)
• There are aftermarket stocks for each made by the same companies which make the two harder to distinguish.

As far as which is better... It's a tradeoff the SKS is designed for a 10 round mag, whether or not you put a larger one in. That means it wasn't meant for the sustained rapid fire that the AK is. SKS is more accurate. The aftermarket hi-cap SKS mags are harder to insert than the AKs, and cost a bit more.

[Chain729 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

The SKS and AK 47 are totally different guns. Real AK-47s are assault rifles, with detachable 30 round box magazines, and pistol grips. The SKS is a semiautomatic carbine with a fixed 10 round magazine and a conventional stock (although there are aftermarket parts to change the cosmetics).

The action is also different; the AK uses rotary bolt and the SKS has a tilting bolt. The SKS uses a two-piston recoil system. This helps tame the recoil down some. The AK uses a long-stroke piston that is inherently less accurate because of the long travel of the piston on recoil.

No part is interchangeable. Both guns use the same ammo, 7.62x39. Generally when people talk about AK-47s, they really mean semiautomatic versions of the AKM rifle.
Three most common variations of the SKS

• The pinned barrel Chinese
• The screwed-in barrel Chinese
• The Russian SKS

There are also 3 variations of the AK Clones

• The Chinese stamped receiver (folded and riveted sheet steel)
• The Chinese forged receiver (machined and milled).
• The Hungarian made SA-85.

The differences between the Hungarian and the Chinese is exactly like that of the Russian SKS versus the Chinese.

• There are plenty of US aftermarket parts for the SKS. These include detachable magazines with the same curve as the AKs, but with a "duckbill" on the front. There's another kind without the duckbill that requires an insertable adapter.
• There are less common models of the SKS that have been modified to feed from AK magazines. These are known as the Model 84 (pre-ban, with bayonet) and the SKS-D (with 16" barrel and standard or thumbhole stock.)
• There are aftermarket stocks for each made by the same companies which make the two harder to distinguish.

As far as which is better... It's a tradeoff the SKS is designed for a 10 round mag, whether or not you put a larger one in. That means it wasn't meant for the sustained rapid fire that the AK is. SKS is more accurate. The aftermarket hi-cap SKS mags are harder to insert than the AKs, and cost a bit more.

Wow. Thanks for all the info.

Knowing full well how inaccurate the SKS is, the AK really has to suck.

[AK-74me]

Originally Posted by Chain729

Wow. Thanks for all the info.

Knowing full well how inaccurate the SKS is, the AK really has to suck.

The SKS can very accurate, there are probably a number of factors that could be making yours inaccurate. SKS aren't meant to be tack drivers but they should be accurate enough to make consistent hits on a man sized target out to 300-400 yds or so.