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| Separation of Church and State Separation of Church and State: A First Amendment Primer Violations of the Separation of Church and State Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black best expressed the purpose and function of the Establishment Clause when he said that it rests "on the belief that a union of government and religion tends to destroy government and degrade religion." Some Americans reject this dictum, promoting the idea that the government should endorse the religious values of certain members of the community to the exclusion of others. In fact, such violations of the separation of church and state take place with disturbing frequency in American government, at local, state and Federal levels. Recent incidents include the following: * An Alabama judge regularly opens his court sessions with a Christian prayer. Further, he has refused to remove a plaque containing the Ten Commandments from his courtroom wall. Alabama Governor Fob James has threatened to call in the Alabama National Guard to prevent the plaque's removal. * Local municipalities have erected nativity scenes, crosses, menorahs and other religious symbols to the exclusion of those of other faiths. * The Board of Aldermen of a Connecticut city has opened its sessions with a prayer that beseeches citizens to "elect Christian men and women to office so that those who serve will be accountable . . . to the teachings of Jesus Christ . . . ." * A variety of religious groups are demanding that their faith-based social service programs receive public funding although these programs engage in aggressive proselytizing and religious indoctrination. * On the "National Day of Prayer," local authorities acting in their official capacities have led citizens in sectarian prayer.
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| Ads for Separation of Church and State Ads for Separation of Church and State: Presidential Campaign Call For Protection Of Religious Freedom Friday, January 4, 2008 On Eve Of New Hampshire And South Carolina Primaries, New Ads Press Presidential Candidates On Role Of Religion and Government For the first time in a presidential election and on the eve of the New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries a new series of television and newspaper ads is being launched to urge presidential candidates to protect religious freedom. At a time when presidential candidates in both political parties are injecting religion into their campaigns at unprecedented levels, the new ads are designed to help provide a clearer understanding of where candidates stand on key issues at the intersection of religion and politics. The ads are scheduled to lead up to the New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries later this month. First Freedom First, a joint project of Americans United for Separation of Church and State and The Interfaith Alliance Foundation, is launching the new print and TV ads to encourage voters to ask presidential candidates their positions on a wide range of issues, from end-of-life options to protecting the right of all Americans to worship...or not. The first advertisements feature legendary actors Jack Klugman and James Whitmore and are designed to remind candidates and voters that religion has a place in American life, but not as a political tool. The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, noted, "The separation of church and state is what makes America a great nation. At their core, the ads are designed to prompt important conversations about where candidates stand on the critical issue of religious liberty as enshrined in the First Amendment." Lynn continued, "All Americans, whether religious or not, have a right to know where candidates stand on issues that have a real, direct impact on their lives, such as sound science, academic integrity and protections against religious discrimination. The ads and related questions on the First Freedom First Web site are designed to help start the discussion between voters and candidates." The Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy, president of The Interfaith Alliance Foundation, said, “Religion has played an unusually large role in the 2008 election, and unfortunately, it has been used as a gimmick or a divisive tool rather than a unifying force. First Freedom First focuses on important issues that are at the intersection of religion and public policy issues that our next president must be prepared to deal with.” In the TV and print ads, Jack Klugman and James Whitmore raise such questions as, "Who will decide my end of life care: politicians and religious right leaders, or my doctor and me?" The ads also ask candidates what they will do to protect the right of all Americans to worship...or not. The First Freedom First Web site features ten sample questions for voters to ask candidates, such as "Do you think public schools should sponsor school prayer or, as a parent, should this choice be left to me?" and, "Do you think my pharmacist should be allowed to deny me doctor-prescribed medications based on his or her religious beliefs?" Klugman noted that he volunteered to participate in the ad campaign, saying, "I think these ads speak for a lot of people, both believers and non-believers, who understand that this country is founded on a basic respect for everyone's right to believe whatever they want. It's time we got back to principles that have always made America a great democracy." The ads, produced by Progressive Media Agency, will run up to the primaries in New Hampshire and South Carolina. Americans United: Ads In Presidential Campaign Call For Protection Of Religious Freedom
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| Constitution of Iran recognizes Christ The Constitution of Iran recognizes Christianity. The Constitution of the United States doesn't. So, why isn't Iran considered by the religious right to be a Christian Nation? Article 13
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| The Separation of Church and State Here's an interesting essay on the subject of separation of church and state. The author makes the mistake of interpreting the Constitution according to his subjective analysis of history rather than objectively according to the common law "rules of interpretation." The Separation of Church and State
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BTW, Jefferson did a much better job of explaining the exemption of religion from civil authority in 1808 when he wrote to Samuel Miller. I have duly received your favor of the 18th and am thankful to you for having written it, because it is more agreeable to prevent than to refuse what I do not think myself authorized to comply with. I consider the government of the U S. as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise, of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the U.S. Certainly no power to prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the general government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority. But it is only proposed that I should recommend, not prescribe a day of fasting & prayer. That is, that I should indirectly assume to the U.S. an authority over religious exercises which the Constitution has directly precluded them from. It must be meant too that this recommendation is to carry some authority, and to be sanctioned by some penalty on those who disregard it; not indeed of fine and imprisonment, but of some degree of proscription perhaps in public opinion. And does the change in the nature of the penalty make the recommendation the less a law of conduct for those to whom it is directed? I do not believe it is for the interest of religion to invite the civil magistrate to direct it's exercises, it's discipline, or it's doctrines; nor of the religious societies that the general government should be invested with the power of effecting any uniformity of time or matter among them. Fasting & prayer are religious exercises. The enjoining them an act of discipline. Every religious society has a right to determine for itself the times for these exercises, & the objects proper for them, according to their own particular tenets; and this right can never be safer than in their own hands, where the constitution has deposited it.Jefferson's reference to "that [amendment] also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the U.S." was a reference to the Tenth Amendment which reserved to the people power over their religion, unless they had been stupid enough to surrender it to their state government, like the fools in New England did. In his letter to Samuel Miller Jefferson also pointed out that "no power" over "any religious exercise" as well as no "authority in religious discipline" had "been delegated to the general government." Jefferson should have pointed out the government was granted no power over religious opinions, as he did in his letter to the Danbury Baptists. However, Reverend Miller had only asked Jefferson to explain why he didn't issue executive recommendations regarding religious exercises.
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| You do realize that if your post is over 3 lines and does not have a reference to a pecker, a vagina or sex of some sort it does not get read right? That being said, when did you become a Religiophobe? |
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The closest thing, prior to 1878, to a judicial decision regarding the U. S. Government's authority over religion was the 1830 report of the House of Representatives Committee on the Post-offices and Post-Roads, to whom had been referred memorials from inhabitants of various parts of the United States, praying for a repeal of so much of the post-office law as authorizes the mail to be transported and opened on Sunday, and to whom had also been referred memorials from other inhabitants of various parts of the United States, remonstrating against such an appeal, made the following report:The House Committee found that "Congress acts under a constitution of delegated and limited powers" and was delegated no power to resolve religious controversies such as "what part of time, or whether any, has been set apart by the Almighty for religious exercises." The House Committee obviously shared James Madison's 1788 view that the U. S. Government was granted "not a shadow of a right" to authority over religion. The Reynolds Court probably shared the same view. However, the defendant did not raise the issue of whether the Constitution granted the government power over religion. Maybe his lawyer was a Federalist who believed that the Constitution granted Congress general unlimited power over the general welfare of the people.
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