Limbaugh: "The Base Has Fractured"

[Mateo]

I beg to disagree with you...it is my right as it is yours.
Nothing is fair in life....if I am not being fair on Limbaugh then he has not been fair to a lot of people...what goes around, comes around.
I love this country as much as you do , as he does and anyone else. As I said, I answered the call when it came. So did many whether they agreed with Nam or not....we are not AntiAmerican, far from it and you know it. I just grow weary of proving it. Do I dislike anyone that demonstrated against it? No. I have no problem with anyone that wanted to see me come home in one piece.
What irks me is those who saw me later and crossed to the other side of the street rather than say hello and then years later slap me on the back and say "Wow, what you guys went through was terrible...I was with you al the way".When you know they used every chance they could to stay out. Or even dumber" I saw the movie..was it anything like that?" How do you explain to such idiots what can't be explained?
Whether the military decided not to take him or not is immaterial to me.l It is unforgiveable to me that he would attack a person whom I admire. Not Clinton, McCain. As I said, a man who went through what he did deserves respect. Anyone that served or serves presently deserves respect. From your nomer, I take it that you are a vet also. I extend the same respect for a brother as I did to the other gentleman. If you refuse it, I respect that also , as it is your right. However, I feel no such towards Mr Limbaugh or as you have seen from my posts, Mr Obama either.
My family came here from the Philippines, 1954. My father, a medical intern and later, General Practitioner, decided for us that [1] We would be American all the way through, including forgetting the language of our mother country, to learn the English of this land. My dad wanted us to know no other home than this. My sisters and I grew up through the 50's and 60's as any other normal kids did. I played baseball and football like other boys and thought of myself as nothing more than a normal kid. This country has been good to me and to do anything contrary to hurt it is not in my makeup. Yet I also learned that it gave me rights also, and the right to disagree with it when I thought it wrong was one of them.Note, I did not say I advocate any kind of violence to overthrow it....far from it. My protest is my vote, and that to me is as powerful a weapon as anything else. It is not for me to disenfranchise anyone else from the same right, veteran or not. That would make me a fascist, and that I am not. Neither are you , the other fellow or anyone else who disagrees with me...we are fellow Americans who have been demonized by forces who seek to keep us at odds with one another.

I agree with Rush. McCain is the worst of the RINOs in a field of RINOs, and conservatives with conviction will not vote for him even if it means Hillary wins.

My view is that if McCain wins and Obama wins, I'll vote for Obama. If McCain wins and Hillary wins, I'll spend a quiet evening at home. I don't see McCain as taking stands all that much different than Hillarys, so why should we want a Republican acting like a Democrat when we can just have a Democrat act that way?

Also, it's widely acknowledged that Thompson was the closest thing to a real conservative this year. McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Guiliani are all RINOs, and I keep hearing we should vote for one of these guys just to keep a Democrat out of the WHite House. My view is that if Hillary or Obama win, we can try to get a better field of conservatives in 2012. If McCain wins, the Republican party will be honorbound to support this crapbag in 2012. Do we really want to tell Condi Rice, George Allen, Matt Blunt, etc., that we can't support them because we have to support McCain? I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Mateo

I beg to disagree with you...it is my right as it is yours.
Nothing is fair in life....if I am not being fair on Limbaugh then he has not been fair to a lot of people...what goes around, comes around.
I love this country as much as you do , as he does and anyone else. As I said, I answered the call when it came. So did many whether they agreed with Nam or not....we are not AntiAmerican, far from it and you know it. I just grow weary of proving it. Do I dislike anyone that demonstrated against it? No. I have no problem with anyone that wanted to see me come home in one piece.
What irks me is those who saw me later and crossed to the other side of the street rather than say hello and then years later slap me on the back and say "Wow, what you guys went through was terrible...I was with you al the way".When you know they used every chance they could to stay out. Or even dumber" I saw the movie..was it anything like that?" How do you explain to such idiots what can't be explained?
Whether the military decided not to take him or not is immaterial to me.l It is unforgiveable to me that he would attack a person whom I admire. Not Clinton, McCain. As I said, a man who went through what he did deserves respect. Anyone that served or serves presently deserves respect. From your nomer, I take it that you are a vet also. I extend the same respect for a brother as I did to the other gentleman. If you refuse it, I respect that also , as it is your right. However, I feel no such towards Mr Limbaugh or as you have seen from my posts, Mr Obama either.
My family came here from the Philippines, 1954. My father, a medical intern and later, General Practitioner, decided for us that [1] We would be American all the way through, including forgetting the language of our mother country, to learn the English of this land. My dad wanted us to know no other home than this. My sisters and I grew up through the 50's and 60's as any other normal kids did. I played baseball and football like other boys and thought of myself as nothing more than a normal kid. This country has been good to me and to do anything contrary to hurt it is not in my makeup. Yet I also learned that it gave me rights also, and the right to disagree with it when I thought it wrong was one of them.Note, I did not say I advocate any kind of violence to overthrow it....far from it. My protest is my vote, and that to me is as powerful a weapon as anything else. It is not for me to disenfranchise anyone else from the same right, veteran or not. That would make me a fascist, and that I am not. Neither are you , the other fellow or anyone else who disagrees with me...we are fellow Americans who have been demonized by forces who seek to keep us at odds with one another.

I don't mean to seem like I'm attacking you, but if you're spending your time looking for respect for your service, or being angry with the creeps who ciriticized you at one time and now want to be your best buddy, then I don't think you served for the right reasons. I joined the Navy to serve my country, not to gain acceptance or respect from civilians or anyone else. If they like what I did, or hate what I did, I don't really give a crap. The service thought I did a great job, I was consistently promoted, and when I left I was a 4.0 sailor at the top of his game. And I am by no means special as there are thousands of guys and gals just like me who accomplished the same excellent level of performance.

But on the other hand, there were a lot of people who should never been allowed to wear the uniform. They resent authority, they resent leadership and orders, they are certain they are always the smartest people in the room, and these people are never good for unit cohesion and discipline. Enter John McCain, who by his own admissions over the years meets all these criteria. He was not a good cadet, he was not a good officer, and despite being the son and grandson of accomplished admirals, and a POW, his performance was so poor that he got shown the door. Like I said, he deserves some credit for wearing the uniform, but his conduct while in that uniform was not distinguished and was just good enough to keep him from getting the boot before he became eligible for retirement.

[Mateo]

Hello Bruzilla,
You are indeed correct in that the military has its share of screwups and heroes. After all, when questioned about his being a hero, JFK would always answer"Couldn't help it...they sank my boat". I was not a perfect soldier, as all I could think of was counting the days and hoping that charlie didn't have a projectile with my name on it. As I am talking to you, you see that fortunately for me wasn't the case.I thank you for educating me on the McCain history. I can now see why there is a bit of vehemence. I ask all of your pardon if I was out of line, but please don't ask me to turn my back on a fellow veteran,

[Mateo]

No....lol...let me set you straight on the respect thing. It mattered to me a long time ago, but now its just a footnote in my life. I have had other highlights as I hope you have had, that are much more important to me. The best thing that I got out of it were real friends that I still have today. You can't get anything better in a friend who has been there with you....other than a wife...lol.
The fair weather friends are the ones I was referring to, the ones you call buddy or even brother in high school, but when you need the same friends after going through a hell period in your life and they either treat you like a pariah or try to ply you with drugs, then as you say, you know you have different roads to tread.
If I think that there was meaness in your response to me, then, I have learned nothing. If anything, you are as passionate about this country as I am...just on a different track and I respect that. This country has yet to see its latter days and it is up to us to see that we are on the road to seeing it the country that Red Skelton describes in his Pledge.Toppick and Psyops I believe are on similar paths. All that maters is that at the end of the road, we all know that we have done the best for a country that deserves the best from all of us.

Originally Posted by Mateo

If I think that there was meaness in your response to me, then, I have learned nothing. If anything, you are as passionate about this country as I am...just on a different track and I respect that. This country has yet to see its latter days and it is up to us to see that we are on the road to seeing it the country that Red Skelton describes in his Pledge.Toppick and Psyops I believe are on similar paths. All that maters is that at the end of the road, we all know that we have done the best for a country that deserves the best from all of us.

Well spoken Sir.

Originally Posted by Mateo

I ask all of your pardon if I was out of line, but please don't ask me to turn my back on a fellow veteran.

I know it may sound cold on my part, but I've always felt that people should be treated equally, regardless of what they do. We need information sources like radio hosts just as much as we need military people, and we need military people just as much as we need the kids cooking burgers at McDonalds. That's why I refer to anyone working as Sir of Ma'am, as I think everyone who supports society is just as important as anyone else. The cold part is that I don't view veterans as being any more or less special than anyone else.

I do not think that just because you choose to don a military uniform that you are any better than someone who dons a police uniform or a nurse's uniform. What I do see as a distinction is how you conduct yourself while in that uniform and what you accomplish. McCain, by his own admission, was a poor officer, a poor cadet, and a poor POW. While I can respect the man for the sacrifies he's made, I cannot defend him when he tries to rewrite history and try to convince people that he was actually a superb leader and officer. He had his chance to prove himself, and he wasted that chance being a jerk. In my opinion he doesn't deserve the support of those who conducted themselves with honor and respect for the service.

[Mateo]

Then nothing more be said, than that we stand together.
Your words are equally well spoken and if I disparaged those who deserve better, then it is I who stand corrected. I ask pardon of these most of all who are even more worthy of my respect.
We all wear a uniform of a sort, but we are one nation under a God whomever we call HIM/HER. As in another thread, this is the Absolute Truth.
Voya con Dios en Paz.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Mateo

At least McCain answered the call to duty and hence as earned his rights. Fatboy apparantly cringed when it was his turn.

This original post of yours took this thread into a direction that has nothing to do with what Limbaugh is trying to say. Limbaugh said nothing about McCain's military service. Limbaugh is strictly addressing McCain's politics. You are making this about someone's right to question a person based their honorable service. Which is way off track of Limbaugh's intended criticism of McCain.

We, all American citizens, have these rights. These rights are not earned, they simply are because we are humans. So McCain has no more ownership to his rights than Limbaugh does just because he served. It's because of McCain's service that we all can enjoy our rights. But they are no more or less because some didn't serve. So Limbaugh in completely within his rights to hold his criticism of McCain if McCain doesn't fit into his narrowly defined square of conservatism.

[Mateo]

as I said to Bruzilla, the error was indeed mine. I took it more personal than it was and allowed bad judgement to rule my words. Again, this was a serious error on my part and it is not my intention to disenfranchise anyone on that basis.
That would make me a fascist and I am not that. If you read our threads I have apologized. I may not agree with Rush, but guess what...he probably doesn't agree with me either.My stance was that he should have been a little more respectful. what more do I need to say?