Freaking Out Over McCain................

[RangerJohn]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...you have a humility and respect for the opinions of others befitting John McCain.

Also, 'reaching' out to others to promote poor legislation doesn't score points with me.

Just as humble and tolerant as you are Larry.

Originally Posted by RangerJohn

Ironically, it was a so-called "conservative" Republican's who caused enough hate and discontent that put Billary in the White House back in 92. Now, we've got enough bozo's complaining that the Republican Front-runner "isn't conservative" enough. Gentlemen....you all must be closet liberals...because all this bloviating is gonna get us is President "HillBilly" (aka Clinton Part II)

Before Christmas, McCain's campaign was left for dead, his advisors deserted him, the press dismissed him as someone wasn't relevant anymore either. Somehow he battled back. You all can complain all you want....but faced with a choice between Obama or Hillary on one side and John McCain on the other....which one are you all gonna make? If you don't choose McCain Bru or Larry...then you two deserve a double helping of bad kharma

Wake up, face reality, and if you don't like it....move.

P-3's? isn't that is like saying that you really wanted to join the friggin' Air Farce? Fighters rock! CVN's rock! I collected Sea Pay on Midway, Enterprise, Ranger, Indy, Kitty Hawk, Vinson, IKE, and Essex...never spent a "sea" tour living the "Q" collecting per diem.

I was on the Saratoga, and I can see you're a fighter guy as you can't see anything past the horizon. The point I would make to you is this: which is more important - getting a weak RINO into the White House in 2008 and 2012, or getting ourselves into position to get a strong conservative into the White House in 2012? If you have the former as a priority, you can vote for McCain. If you have the later as a priority, you'll vote for the Democrat.

John McCain is going to sign bills to allow amnesty, raise taxes, allow gun control, make us pay for universal healthcare, and pretty much whatever else the Dem Congress sends him. He's also going to appoint supreme court justices that pass muster with Chuckie Schumer... 'nough said. So really he's not much different than Billary II - The Sequel. Oh wait... he is differerent... the difference is the Republican minority in Congress will have to support what McCain does, while they can attack Hillary.

Too bad you're not a P-3 guy. Being able to see OTH is far more enlightening.

Originally Posted by RangerJohn

And I have fewer issues with McCain than I do the others.

Romney has a long record of flip-flopping on the issues....he has supported gay "unions", and has personally "hired" illegal aliens. Abortions? He has supported it. Bottomline...if you don't like Romney's position...wait a day and he'll change it completely. I wouldn't mind him running a company that I have stock in as he does seem to be able to return profits to shareholders. I wouldn't mind going to a church that had Huckabee as Pastor, heck I'd probably go out of my way to go there. I just don't think either Romney nor Huckabee have the qualifications to be Commander In Chief.


McCain has a long record of building coalitions to get things accomplished, and when building those so-called strategic relationships, you have to reach out to those with opposing view points. He doesn't pander to the Rush Limbaugh's of the world (who by the way is a convicted drug-abuser, how did he avoid jail for that?) who insists that they are arbiters of who a conservative is.

To my brothers in the Military: Our last couple of administrations have been led by those who avoided the draft and military service. (GWB did sign up for the National Guard, but didn't show up much, did he?) I'm tired of having Chickenhawks (those who dodged Military service) send our brothers and sisters into harms way. One of the un-written principals that was drilled into me was that I don't ask anyone to do something I wouldn't or haven't done. (it was actually a whole lot less politically correct than that!). Wouldn't it be nice to have a Commander In Chief who had actually been in the arena...and served in a lot more challenging circumstance than any of us have?

I do admit you all have the right to your own opinions, however wrong they may be. I do hope that it is your own opinion and you're not parroting Rush or Hannity or the other knotheads.

You shame yourself Sir! Why does someone in your position opt to listen to BS from the left? GWB was in the Guard, and he did "show up". Do you know anything about Guard/Reserve service? I guess not. It's not like being on active duty. Your time is based on drill periods, and once you have enough drill periods for the year, you've met your requirement regardless of the dates. GWB had enough drill periods to meet his commitments to the Guard. Besides, when has it mattered who got what break in the military? Senator Chuck Robb (D-VA) was promoted to LT. Col and Colonel in the Marine Reserve without even attending drills. I served with a guy who spent his last three years in uniform running everday for a marathon team.

Also, I'm guessing you think that McCain is some awesome military leader. Have you ever looked into this guy's record? I hate to be rude, but how f'ing stupid are you!!! You think that everyone who ever wore the uniform is some brilliant tactician or leader? YOU, OF ANYONE, SHOULD KNOW BETTER! If McCain were as great as he says, he would have gotten his flag. The fact that he didn't shoudl tell you everything you need to know about this guy's "greatness" as a leader. Be careful of what kind of "leader" you select, because anyone can claim to be one.

I do agree with you on Romney. He is a flip-fliopper. But to his credit he only seems to have election year conversions, and he'll stay with whatever position gets him elected.

[RangerJohn]

Too bad you're not a P-3 guy. Being able to see OTH is far more enlightening.[/quote]

Yeah...the closest I got to that was being imbedded with a Marine MEU in Afghanistan....no per diem, but we had a KBR-run galley..... what a deal that was....7 months in the desert living in a large tent with 200 of my best Jarhead buddies. It wasn't P-3's, but it was enlightening!

(That was a good one...glad to see that you have a wicked sense of humor! I take back 95% of all the bad things I thought about you!)

[RangerJohn]

[quote=Bruzilla;2667077] I hate to be rude, but how f'ing stupid are you!!! QUOTE]

Okay Bru...that 95% just Romney'ed back on you....

[RangerJohn]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

You shame yourself Sir! Why does someone in your position opt to listen to BS from the left? GWB was in the Guard, and he did "show up". Do you know anything about Guard/Reserve service? I guess not. It's not like being on active duty. Your time is based on drill periods, and once you have enough drill periods for the year, you've met your requirement regardless of the dates. GWB had enough drill periods to meet his commitments to the Guard. Besides, when has it mattered who got what break in the military? Senator Chuck Robb (D-VA) was promoted to LT. Col and Colonel in the Marine Reserve without even attending drills. I served with a guy who spent his last three years in uniform running everday for a marathon team.

Also, I'm guessing you think that McCain is some awesome military leader. Have you ever looked into this guy's record? I hate to be rude, but how f'ing stupid are you!!! You think that everyone who ever wore the uniform is some brilliant tactician or leader? YOU, OF ANYONE, SHOULD KNOW BETTER! If McCain were as great as he says, he would have gotten his flag. The fact that he didn't shoudl tell you everything you need to know about this guy's "greatness" as a leader. Be careful of what kind of "leader" you select, because anyone can claim to be one.

I do agree with you on Romney. He is a flip-fliopper. But to his credit he only seems to have election year conversions, and he'll stay with whatever position gets him elected.

Bru...I didn't say that GWB "didn't show up"...just that he didn't show up as much as he was obligated to. (But when your Dad was an elected congressman at the time..I guess you get a few good deals that others don't get, eh?) Chuck Robb did go to Vietnam as did Jim Webb (of course I didn't vote for either of these gentlemen either!, but I do respect their service and although I disagree with these guys...and I tend to think of Webb as an opportunist....it doesn't diminish what they did.

I find it amazing that you want to focus on your perception of McCain's shortcomings from 30 years ago...but you're willing to give Romney a pass on his shortcomings from a couple of years ago? That is a little inconsistent Bru!

I suppose if we wanted to get a military leader to run our country, I'd have to say that GEN Schwartzkopf would be a good candidate. Oh wait a minute...He ENDORSED McCAIN!

I don't fall for the propaganda from the left or the right....and am apprehensive of most media....it all has an agenda, twist, or spin...(sadly, even Bill O'Reilly spins with the best of them, despite what he says on his promo's.) The best you can do is pick up a random sampling...sift through it to remove the trash...and figure out things on your own.

Originally Posted by RangerJohn

Bru...I didn't say that GWB "didn't show up"...just that he didn't show up as much as he was obligated to. (But when your Dad was an elected congressman at the time..I guess you get a few good deals that others don't get, eh?) Chuck Robb did go to Vietnam as did Jim Webb (of course I didn't vote for either of these gentlemen either!, but I do respect their service and although I disagree with these guys...and I tend to think of Webb as an opportunist....it doesn't diminish what they did.

I find it amazing that you want to focus on your perception of McCain's shortcomings from 30 years ago...but you're willing to give Romney a pass on his shortcomings from a couple of years ago? That is a little inconsistent Bru!

I suppose if we wanted to get a military leader to run our country, I'd have to say that GEN Schwartzkopf would be a good candidate. Oh wait a minute...He ENDORSED McCAIN!

I don't fall for the propaganda from the left or the right....and am apprehensive of most media....it all has an agenda, twist, or spin...(sadly, even Bill O'Reilly spins with the best of them, despite what he says on his promo's.) The best you can do is pick up a random sampling...sift through it to remove the trash...and figure out things on your own.

What you wrote was "(GWB did sign up for the National Guard, but didn't show up much, did he?)" Do yourself a favor and don't try to color your words when you get called on them. You clearly meant to imply that GWB was not worth of being Commander in Chief because he didn't show up very much, which is a lie. He met all his service obligations and was eligible for discharge, regardless of who his dad was.

As for McCain's history, let's examine that for a second. McCain was a horrible cadet, and by his own admission, had numerous problems with dealing with authority, with regulations, and had poor personal reliability. So what happens? He goes to flight training and crashes one plane and almost crashes a second, and is always in trouble. Should anyone be surprised that someone who performed so poorly as a cadet did a poor job as a pilot? His dad's influence was the only thing that kept him in uniform through most of his career. Now. the guy becomes a POW, and by his own admission, he failed to uphold the code of conduct. Again, no surprise. Lastly, he gets assigned command of a non-deployable squadron as a reward for his time as a POW. He gets a chance to redeem himself, and what does he do? The Navy and McCain aren't saying, but whatever he did it was bad enough to deny McCain further promotion despite being the son and grandson of accomplished admirals and a POW. He gets to the senate and has issues with his fellow senators, again... big surprise. Lastly, he loses to Bush in 2001, and in a classic snit tries to get recruited into the Democrat party. The way McCain has conducted himself hasn't changed one bit in those 30 years. As for Romney, I agree that he's a flip-flopper, but again... once he flips he tends to stay flipped intil he changes to run for another office. For example, he ran as a pro-life governor and he governed as a pro-life governor. McCain is everybit the flip-flopper Romney is, but McCain will flip if it benefits him.

As for Schwartzkopf, he's just another example of someone looking at McCain the same way women look at Hillary. He's seeing a retired Navy captain, and not a failed officer.

Lastly, if you want to be taken seriously on this board, you better be serious about posting on here. I've got news for you... a lot of the folks on this board don't waste their time watching O'Reilly, or CNN, or any other news media to figure things out. Folks like Vrai, Larry, Mr. King, and many others get our facts from original data. Only a fool relies on any media source to learn the truth. We've also been around long enough to be able to see through ALL the spin, so we don't go gulping the kool-aid when a guy with a well-documented history of womanizing says "I did not have sexual relationships with that woman" and we don't gulp it for a guy who was forced into retirement and claims to be a great military leader. Do yourself a favor, and start doing your own research so you don't go making a fool of yourself by writing something like ""(GWB did sign up for the National Guard, but didn't show up much, did he?)"

[Kain99]

Is it really wise, to get yourselves all stressed out over something you cannot control? It sucks being the minority, but it ain't worth cardiac trauma.

[RangerJohn]

Bru...you are amazing....and I do think that General Schwartzkopf is a little more perceptive of things than you give him credit for.

In January, you are just going to have to deal with either President McCain, President Obama, or Billary.

You are putting a lot of inuendo into things that aren't there....do you worry at night about King George the 3rd still being alive and living in Argentina?

I don't take anybody on this forum seriously here and could give a damn about what you think of moi. "Original data?" don't make me laugh....who reports that to you? It all has spin on it....some folks accept it as dogma.

The good thing about being a dinosaur is that we get really good spots in museums.

[edinsomd]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I really hate to say this, but the second most absolute screwed-up retired officer I've ever known retired as the skipper of the Naval ASW Training Center in San Diego.

I know exactly who you mean, I'm just glad about the "retired" part.
Ed