Why are McCain and Romney...

[ImnoMensa]

I agree there also why should they take a chance on saying something that may later hurt them.

Romney and McCain are the two viable Republican candidates. neither has much chance of helping themselves in this mess.

Huckabee and Ron Paul are just also rans that have nothing else to do tonight. Hillary and Obama are the ones who may get some benefit out of this.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

Most young people believe George Bush is the worst president ever

Then I rest my case that they're a bunch of idiots and there is no reason for any serious candidate to waste his/her time with them. George Bush isn't even close to being the worst president ever, and anyone who says he is is a moron.

[toppick08 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

Every young person in America has a myspace. Every Presidential candidate has a myspace. Every sports athlete has a myspace. I bet half the forum members have a myspace. I'm guessing you don't.

If you don't have a myspace Vrai, you're the

Vanity gets you closer to the grave, Andy.

[Kain99]

Would it be gay to say, I understand both sides of this debate?

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

... and you know better.

A lot of college students are, in fact, concerned about the economy. They are concerned about the war. They are concerned about the elections.

There's a list things about this generation that will define the generation for some time. We've witnessed several events that will attach many younger voters to the election process:

• ATTACK ON AMERICA - September 11, 2001
• Hurricane: KATRINA
• Indecision 2000
• Most young people believe George Bush is the worst president ever

Believe it or not Vrai, people are paying attention.

This, IMO, just ensures Obama victory. There is a crowd who's passionate about Ron Paul. There's also a huge following with the youth in Barack Obama.

Nice way to target those voters.

Andy, your argument only serves to display your ignorance and make Vrai's point for her. The primaries so far have shown that college students, those politically-astute kids who feel they have a good feel for things AND take the time to vote, are overwhelmingly going for Obama. Now, let's look at what you say they are interested in:

Attack on America: To listen to Democrats, they are upset, as we all are, about 9/11. But they also want to isolate the events of 9/11. They have this maddening belief that if we just get Bin Ladin, then we'll have settled the score and peace will reign. That shows a complete ignorance of the events that led up to 9/11, and of why we had to take actions far beyond just getting the ringleader. George Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton both fell into the "proportional response" trap, whereas we respond to terrorists with the same level of force they attacked us with, and the result was making Al Querra into such a strong force that they felt they could come over here and attack us on 9/11.

Hurricane Katrina. If Katrina had struck Florida, or Georgia, or South Carolina, it would have long ago been dumped off to the history books. But since it hit a large city with a large black population, with a Democrat city and state leadership that failed and needed a scapegoat, and at the same time the Democrats were looking for anything to club Bush with, it became a cause celebe. We had four hurricanes hit Florida in 2004, causing far more destruction, and you don't hear a thing about it. But the Democrats wanted an issue to attack Bush on, and Katrina became their issue even though it was largely the failures of Democrats in LA and NO that caused the problems.

Indecision 2000. Again, another case of Liberals adopting a conspiracy theory to avoid admitting failure. The only indecision in 2000 came when Gore couldn't decide if he wanted to concede. All of the final vote counts showed he lost, and there was never any question that a Democrat-controlled Florida Supreme Court willfully broke their own state laws to try to get their guy in the White House. The U.S. Supreme Court did the right thing and called them on it.

Most young people believe that George Bush was the worst president ever. Well, most young people weren't alive during the Carter administration, so I'll cut them some slack on not having some proper perspective. What I won't cut slack on is most young people believe that Bush is the worst president for the faulty reasons you mention above... "he didn't catch Bin Ladin!", "he blew up the levies and killed people in NO!", "he stole the White House!" and on and on. You would be better served to stop listening to your esteemed colleagues in college land, and listen to someone like Vrai who has a much better perspective for what's going on. We probably both think that Bush is a mediocre president (but still better than Carter), but for vastly more realistic reasons.

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

... and you know better.

A lot of college students are, in fact, concerned about the economy. They are concerned about the war. They are concerned about the elections.

There's a list things about this generation that will define the generation for some time. We've witnessed several events that will attach many younger voters to the election process:

• ATTACK ON AMERICA - September 11, 2001
• Hurricane: KATRINA
• Indecision 2000
• Most young people believe George Bush is the worst president ever

Believe it or not Vrai, people are paying attention.

This, IMO, just ensures Obama victory. There is a crowd who's passionate about Ron Paul. There's also a huge following with the youth in Barack Obama.

Nice way to target those voters.

Great, we're finally going to find out "Where did you go to college and when did you get your diploma?"

[PsyOps]

What Romney and McCain told me, by missing this debate, is that they are not interested in the young vote. Even if these young folks had reduced their questions (which they didn't) to ice cream or boxers or briefs, they will carry this with them as they grow older of which party cared about them. I know this is superficial, but it's just the way it is.

For the record, these young folks asked some very intelligent and pointed questions; even if there is a part of me that believes they were setup questions.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

they will carry this with them as they grow older of which party cared about them.

Oh! Snap! There were just as many Republicans participating in that debate as there were Democrats!

However, you are correct that the leftwing media brainwashed youth of today will conveniently forget that and parrot the line that ONLY Democrats showed up and ONLY Democrats give a crap about them and their piggies and fingers. I suspect that's why Romney and McCain chose to not waste their time on these kids.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Oh! Snap! There were just as many Republicans participating in that debate as there were Democrats!

However, you are correct that the leftwing media brainwashed youth of today will conveniently forget that and parrot the line that ONLY Democrats showed up and ONLY Democrats give a crap about them and their piggies and fingers. I suspect that's why Romney and McCain chose to not waste their time on these kids.

I don't believe that for a second. These kids asked very good questions. They asked very good questions to Huckabee and Ron Paul.

It has nothing to do with the left.

I've said before there are a lot of conservative youth voters out there that don't believe in what the Democrats stand for. They just don't show up to vote because the Republican candidates don't want to reach out to them.

McCain and Romney are no different than Hillary, IMO, and that's why I'm not voting for them.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Oh! Snap! There were just as many Republicans participating in that debate as there were Democrats!

However, you are correct that the leftwing media brainwashed youth of today will conveniently forget that and parrot the line that ONLY Democrats showed up and ONLY Democrats give a crap about them and their piggies and fingers. I suspect that's why Romney and McCain chose to not waste their time on these kids.

I'm not sure how much I trust MTV with this sort of thing and I'm sure they were very selective with whom they interviewed in the audience but every kid they asked who they were leaning towards they said Obama.

But these kids are still voters and could make the difference. McCain and Romney snubbed them. I think if I was that age again (not that I would want to be) I would feel that way.