Why are McCain and Romney...

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

What Romney and McCain told me, by missing this debate, is that they are not interested in the young vote. Even if these young folks had reduced their questions (which they didn't) to ice cream or boxers or briefs, they will carry this with them as they grow older of which party cared about them. I know this is superficial, but it's just the way it is.

For the record, these young folks asked some very intelligent and pointed questions; even if there is a part of me that believes they were setup questions.

This is why Obama will win, IMO. He's able to get the youth fired up enough to vote for him, like Ron Paul has. Even Huckabee's done a good job of that. But the Republican front-runners, once again, are not.

John McCain, I wonder if he even knows what the internet is. He's got a good life story, he needs to get it out there.

Romney comes off to me as a pretty boy rich boy who's been able to afford every political position he's had. He spends the money, gets his name everywhere and runs any attack ad he can. He's a Massachussetts liberal. He doesn't even come off as a good guy, like Obama.

When you see Obama, you get the sense that he's genuine and he's a nice guy. You just don't get that vibe with McCain or Romney.

It's kind of hard to hear them talk about change when they fit right in with the Washington establishment. They talk and act just like that, politicians. They don't even represent a conservative voice. I mean, all of this hurts us.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

This is why Obama will win, IMO. He's able to get the youth fired up enough to vote for him, like Ron Paul has. Even Huckabee's done a good job of that. But the Republican front-runners, once again, are not.

John McCain, I wonder if he even knows what the internet is. He's got a good life story, he needs to get it out there.

Romney comes off to me as a pretty boy rich boy who's been able to afford every political position he's had. He spends the money, gets his name everywhere and runs any attack ad he can. He's a Massachussetts liberal. He doesn't even come off as a good guy, like Obama.

When you see Obama, you get the sense that he's genuine and he's a nice guy. You just don't get that vibe with McCain or Romney.

It's kind of hard to hear them talk about change when they fit right in with the Washington establishment. They talk and act just like that, politicians. They don't even represent a conservative voice. I mean, all of this hurts us.

Obama will for the same reason Bill Clinton won. Not on ideas, not on a concrete message of "this is what I am going to do and how I'm going to do it". He will win because he makes people FEEL good. Because of his youth he makes people FEEL like he represents change. When I listen to Obama talk all I heaar is what he wants but never how he's going to get there. No specifics. He talks in ambiguities. But he sure does make people FEEL good.

Republicans need to focus on taking back Congress. The WH is a loss no matter how you slice it.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

But these kids are still voters and could make the difference. McCain and Romney snubbed them. I think if I was that age again (not that I would want to be) I would feel that way.

58% of voters 18-29 self-identify as Democrat. That's leaves 42% divvied up between the Republicans and Independent. (You can look that statistic up.) Very similar to George Bush not wasting his time with NAACP banquets, there is no reason for Romney or McCain to waste valuable campaign money and time trying to reach out to people who are already decided. It's like swimming upstream.

And, again, two Republicans DID show up to court the kid vote. But that doesn't count, right? It just proves my point that there were just as many Republicans as Democrats participating in that debate, but the Republicans are still painted as the party that snubbed them. Why waste time on that crap?

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Republicans need to focus on taking back Congress.

I don't really care if they do, if they're just going to spend money like drunken Democrats and push social programs like the current crop of Republicans. The Republican party has melded into the Democrats and are almost indistinguishable these days, unless you count ranting about abortion and same-sex marriage.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

58% of voters 18-29 self-identify as Democrat. That's leaves 42% divvied up between the Republicans and Independent. (You can look that statistic up.) Very similar to George Bush not wasting his time with NAACP banquets, there is no reason for Romney or McCain to waste valuable campaign money and time trying to reach out to people who are already decided. It's like swimming upstream.

And, again, two Republicans DID show up to court the kid vote. But that doesn't count, right? It just proves my point that there were just as many Republicans as Democrats participating in that debate, but the Republicans are still painted as the party that snubbed them. Why waste time on that crap?

I guess you don't see any point in thinking these young skulls-o-mush might just change their minds if they hear something from the GOP that sparks something in them?

But we'll never know because Republicans don't see past their own narrow base.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I don't really care if they do, if they're just going to spend money like drunken Democrats and push social programs like the current crop of Republicans. The Republican party has melded into the Democrats and are almost indistinguishable these days, unless you count ranting about abortion and same-sex marriage.

If I get higher spending with better national security I'll take it over higher spending with no national security. As much as it annoys the crap out of me, I have to take what I can get. But stubborn Republicans want it all or nothing. It's a losing formula.

But I completely agree with your assessment of the GOP, which explains why the dems took back Congress. Now they will get the WH too.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

58% of voters 18-29 self-identify as Democrat. That's leaves 42% divvied up between the Republicans and Independent. (You can look that statistic up.) Very similar to George Bush not wasting his time with NAACP banquets, there is no reason for Romney or McCain to waste valuable campaign money and time trying to reach out to people who are already decided. It's like swimming upstream.

And, again, two Republicans DID show up to court the kid vote. But that doesn't count, right? It just proves my point that there were just as many Republicans as Democrats participating in that debate, but the Republicans are still painted as the party that snubbed them. Why waste time on that crap?

Think aboutt he 58%. Why is that? Because every time there's an election, we snub them.

We'd have more black support, more youth support and more hispanic support if our candidates talked to those people. Instead, we choose to only talk to our base and not to swing voters and moderates and people who are undecided. The Democrats DO talk to those people, and they win them over. That's going to win them the White House, and then you're going to pay for the mistakes they will make.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

58% of voters 18-29 self-identify as Democrat. That's leaves 42% divvied up between the Republicans and Independent. (You can look that statistic up.) Very similar to George Bush not wasting his time with NAACP banquets, there is no reason for Romney or McCain to waste valuable campaign money and time trying to reach out to people who are already decided. It's like swimming upstream.

And, again, two Republicans DID show up to court the kid vote. But that doesn't count, right? It just proves my point that there were just as many Republicans as Democrats participating in that debate, but the Republicans are still painted as the party that snubbed them. Why waste time on that crap?

Two Republicans that the front runners disassociate themselves with.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

I guess you don't see any point in thinking these young skulls-o-mush might just change their minds if they hear something from the GOP that sparks something in them?

But we'll never know because Republicans don't see past their own narrow base.

You're right.

• Cutting taxes
• Smaller government
• less government spending
• 2nd Amendment rights
• Constitutional rights

Gee, I've described what a lot of young voters care about. I've also described the Ronald Reagan Conservative message.

Instead of taking that message to the youth and firing them up, the front runners talk to a bunch of retirees at campaign rallies in the middle of the afternoon that the average American cannot attend, because they're in school or at work.

They don't speak to the majority of people anymore. They don't attempt to speak to the majority of people.

Heck, I bet John McCain doesn't know what the internet is.