Romney v. McCain...

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

...the point not made, so, I'll make it.

This is what Romney should have said or should say in response to McCain's constant resume' reference to his 'largest squadron in the NAVY' refrain;

"Senator, there are literally 100's and 100's of commanders in the United States Navy. There are 435 members of the United States House of Representatives. There are 100 US Senators, two from each and every state. Yet there are only 50 US governors, one per state and, obviously, only one president of the United States of America, the one job we are all vying for. I'm sure Senator McCain has just as much respect for elected civilian leaders as I do for our people in uniform, whatever rank they achieved, so that is not at issue. What is at issue is what does a commander do when his people need more equipment and money? Does he raise taxes? Does he or she cut spending in other areas? Do they ask their people to work more hours? Or do they send a memo up the chain of command? What does a Senator do to serve their constituents? Is it more difficult, more noble or of greater service to be a commander or a Senator? I don't know because I never earned any rank in our armed services nor have I won election to the US Senate. What I have done is governed. Not as one of 100's of commanders with a chain of command in the service. Not as one of 100 in the give and take of the US Senate. I have been the one, the one and only one at the top of an entire state government with each and every responsibility that that job entails. From public safety, to social services, to filling pot holes, law enforcement, taxes and spending, education and health and many, many more responsibilities. It's the job that most closely resembles being president in scope and challenges. It's not the only job that qualifies a person to become president. That decision is left up to the American people, but I think it is the best job to prepare a person for the responsibilities of president."


When Romney ran against Kennedy for Senate, this kind of blunt assessment of why he would be a better choice than Ted was missing and there needs to be clear distinctions between yourself and your opponent. If not, why pick one over the other?

[AK-74me]

I understand that people have a lot of issues with McCain. Justified issues. The whole business with the Keating Five, his stance on immigration, the awful, unconstitutional McCain-Feingold. He certainly isn't who I'd pick but.......I have an even bigger problem with Romney, as the man has gone from being anti-gun, pro-choice, pro-homosexual marriage to pro-gun, pro-life and anti-homosexual marriage in the space of a couple years. Plus Mass. has not exactly been a tax paradise since he has been in office there.

Bottom line is that the way it has shaped up our choices suck and we are stuck choosing between the less of two evils again.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by AK-74me

I understand that people have a lot of issues with McCain. Justified issues. The whole business with the Keating Five, his stance on immigration, the awful, unconstitutional McCain-Feingold. He certainly isn't who I'd pick but.......I have an even bigger problem with Romney, as the man has gone from being anti-gun, pro-choice, pro-homosexual marriage to pro-gun, pro-life and anti-homosexual marriage in the space of a couple years. Plus Mass. has not exactly been a tax paradise since he has been in office there.

Bottom line is that the way it has shaped up our choices suck and we are stuck choosing between the less of two evils again.

...who knows? If McCain wins perhaps he turns out as a fine CIC. History is full of people who rose to great challenges having not been the first choice of many to do well.

Why, Hillary may even surprise us!

[ImnoMensa]

How can one argue with either of the above Posts .?

I dont like either of the Republican candidates, but I dislike the Democratic candidates even more.

I find myself rooting for Obama in case the democrats win because I cant envision a United States with Hillary and the cigar dildo man back in the White House.

Obama has no experience but he does love his wife, they have a family,he has morals.
He is head and shoulders above the slime he is running against.
His Muslim background is no worse than Hillary's and her "bodyperson" the mysterious Huma Abedin. He doesnt hurl ashtrays and throw temper fits. He makes his own decisions,he doesnt have to check with Bubba. If he wasnt so damned liberal I could maybe vote for the guy. At the least he hasnt lied about being liberal.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...who knows? If McCain wins perhaps he turns out as a fine CIC. History is full of people who rose to great challenges having not been the first choice of many to do well.

There's a difference between McCain and the folks you mention. I remember back to when I went to Survival Resistance Evasion and Escape (SERE) school, where you get treated like a POW. On the run-up to going to the school, I had guys in my squadron who said they would act like Rambo, that they would beat the snot out of anyone who touched them. One of these guys I later saw at the school beating himself with a rubber hose to appease our captors!!! And one of the guys who seemed the most timid actually held up the best. So I agree that until someone's been tested, you never can tell, but... the guy who beat himself with the hose was a real jerk most of the time, so I shouldn't have been surprised.

GWB fell into the untested category on 9/11. He had never really been tested like that, and he rose to the occasion. McCain, unlike Bush, is a known entity. He has failed at every turn of his military career. He failed as a cadet, as a pilot, as a JO, as a POW, and as a commanding officer. He's failed to meet pretty much every challenge of his life, and his record is right there for anyone to see, so I doubt anyone would be surprised to see him fail to rise to challenges as POTUS.

[luthersomd]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

How can one argue with either of the above Posts .?

I dont like either of the Republican candidates, but I dislike the Democratic candidates even more.

I find myself rooting for Obama in case the democrats win because I cant envision a United States with Hillary and the cigar dildo man back in the White House.

Obama has no experience but he does love his wife, they have a family,he has morals.
He is head and shoulders above the slime he is running against.
His Muslim background is no worse than Hillary's and her "bodyperson" the mysterious Huma Abedin. He doesnt hurl ashtrays and throw temper fits. He makes his own decisions,he doesnt have to check with Bubba. If he wasnt so damned liberal I could maybe vote for the guy. At the least he hasnt lied about being liberal.

We know very little about Obama and a lot about Hillary. The devil you know is sometimes better than the one you don't know! And he will have to check with Ted Kennedy.

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by AK-74me

I understand that people have a lot of issues with McCain. Justified issues. The whole business with the Keating Five, his stance on immigration, the awful, unconstitutional McCain-Feingold. He certainly isn't who I'd pick but.......I have an even bigger problem with Romney, as the man has gone from being anti-gun, pro-choice, pro-homosexual marriage to pro-gun, pro-life and anti-homosexual marriage in the space of a couple years. Plus Mass. has not exactly been a tax paradise since he has been in office there.

Bottom line is that the way it has shaped up our choices suck and we are stuck choosing between the less of two evils again.

I've read a lot of comment about McCain-Feingold being unconstitutional because of free speech. What is that based on? I know McCain-Feingold deals with campaign finance but I haven't found where it curtails one's right to express theirself.

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

He has failed at every turn of his military career. He failed as a cadet, as a pilot, as a JO, as a POW, and as a commanding officer.

Since I never live at the "Hilton", it's hard for me to question someone like McCain who did. Why do you say he failed as a POW? Did you do better as a POW?

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by AK-74me

I understand that people have a lot of issues with McCain. Justified issues. The whole business with the Keating Five, his stance on immigration, the awful, unconstitutional McCain-Feingold. He certainly isn't who I'd pick but.......I have an even bigger problem with Romney, as the man has gone from being anti-gun, pro-choice, pro-homosexual marriage to pro-gun, pro-life and anti-homosexual marriage in the space of a couple years. Plus Mass. has not exactly been a tax paradise since he has been in office there.

Bottom line is that the way it has shaped up our choices suck and we are stuck choosing between the less of two evils again.

We being you and everyone else on the forum. Call me an idealist, but I'm not voting for someone if I don't like them. I flat out hate Mitt Romney and don't think McCain's much better. Neither of those two is any better than Shrillary and Obama. I'll be casting my vote for Ron Paul. If he loses, I'll vote for Alan Keyes in the general.