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Old 02-12-2008, 04:35 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Funny how when you blow yourself up in a crowded area while screaming "DEATH TO THE INFIDELS" some left wing coward will claim it has nothing to do with his religion.

Hitler was the spiritual leader of the Nazis. He based his beliefs on a mixture of Christianity and Germanic mythology.
It's even funnier when the other 99.9999% of muslims in the world DON'T do that, but are labeled as suicide bombers because of the .00001% that do crazy stupid crap like that.
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well yes, but we have people here judging 1/5th of the worlds population like they are all one and the same, all the while trumpeting the supposed acts of over 1 billion people (yes I know some muslims have commited terrible acts that rival even christians for the 'worst' catagory) while implying (or outright saying) that their religion or lifestyle would never do such things.

I bring up past examples just to show that it's been done and while current (and past) acts are (and were) terrible, that you shouldn't judge an entire culture by the acts of the very very few.
Sounds overall right, you shouldn't judge. But, when one group is currently performing the acts, and doing it in the name of their religion, and getting a lot of buy-in throughout their religion, it kind of implies something more to be concerned with compared with other religions of the same time period.

If you want to compare the Muslims of the 1830's with the Christians of the 1830's, that would be a worthwhile comparison. Certainly, there have been bad Christians in the past. I don't think anyone would deny that. The current threat is coming from primarily a large portion of a single religion. No, that does not mean all Muslims are bad, by any means. I believe most are probably good people.

Some things (like saying "I think all those Jews and Muslims in the Middle East should just setlle their differences in a good Christian manner" ) should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Old 02-12-2008, 04:36 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Nothing in my post suggest that anyone should eradicate all Muslims, in fact I believe I went out of my way to state that the Islamofacists were the ones in need of killing - not all Muslims - because there was no negotiation with the likes of Al Q, Hamas, Hezbollah etc .........

sorry, I meant people on these boards, not you psecifically.

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Old 02-12-2008, 04:41 PM   #44 (permalink)
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sorry, I meant people on these boards, not you psecifically.

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ahahaha my typo was so dumb looking, I'm keeping it lol
yeah, i mean everyone knows its pacifically
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Old 02-12-2008, 04:42 PM   #45 (permalink)
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its just like all these right wingers saying that the nazis weren't christian.

either they both represent their faith, or neither do.......
hmm oh yeah Hitler was the head of Christian thinking in the 1930's

NOT

just the Neo Nazis, Aryan Brotherhood, and other White Supremacists, and anti-Semitic groups represent Christianity today, even though it is often perverted to give a false sense of support to these organizations

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In the United States, neo-Nazi groups are a sub-type of a wider array of anti-Semitic and white supremacist groups. American neo-Nazi groups tend to pay homage to — but are often less focused on — the specific tenets of the NSDAP than some neo-Nazi groups in other countries.[citation needed] Neo-Nazi groups in the United States can be traced back to the 1920s, with the US branch of the Nazi Party. This organization merged with Free Society of Teutonia to form the German-American Bund. The Bund and other groups achieved a limited popularity in the 1930s (at one point staging a rally with over 20,000 people), but rapidly faded with the onset of the Second World War. The groups either disbanded or were dismantled by force during the war period. After the war, new organizations formed, with varying degrees of support for Nazi principles. It is difficult to determine the extent of neo-Nazi organizations in the United States, although there are organizations dedicated to monitoring their activities (such as the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center).

While a small minority of American neo-Nazis draw public attention, most operate underground, so they may recruit, organize and raise funds without interference or harassment. The American correctional system houses many white supremacist and neo-Nazi prison gangs, and often white prisoners join those gangs for protection from the other prison gangs, and do not necessarily support neo-Nazi ideology.[citation needed] The United States Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, which allows political organizations great latitude in expressing Nazi, racist, and anti-Semitic views. A First Amendment landmark was the Skokie Affair, in which neo-Nazis threatened to march in a predominantly Jewish suburb of Chicago. The march never took place in Skokie, but the court ruling allowed the neo-Nazis to stage a series of demonstrations in the Chicago area. In addition to targeting Jews and African Americans, neo-Nazi groups are known to harass and attack Asian Americans, Latinos, Arab Americans, homosexuals and people with different political or religious opinions.

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hmm oh yeah Hitler was the head of Christian thinking in the 1930's

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just the Neo Nazis, Aryan Brotherhood, and other White Supremacists, and anti-Semitic groups represent Christianity today, even though it is often perverted to give a false sense of support to these organizations

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but they were christian, just like the KKK, the brotherhood, and the mighty whities proport to be. They use the book to lend credence to their hate, just like the 'others' do.....


so either they represent all of christianity or the radical muslims dont represent all of islam. its just that easy
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but they were christian, just like the KKK, the brotherhood, and the mighty whities proport to be. They use the book to lend credence to their hate, just like the 'others' do.....


so either they represent all of christianity or the radical muslims dont represent all of islam. its just that easy
DING DING DING DING We have a winner!


They don't, and the radicals do not. Good job.

However, let's face facts - there aren't a lot of Muslims calling for the radicals to stop. That's a certain difference. And, the radical Muslims are the current problem, not the 70 year old nor 160 year old problem.


Can you see the differences?
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DING DING DING DING We have a winner!


They don't, and the radicals do not. Good job.

However, let's face facts - there aren't a lot of Muslims calling for the radicals to stop. That's a certain difference. And, the radical Muslims are the current problem, not the 70 year old nor 160 year old problem.


Can you see the differences?
i'd say there are just as many muslims calling for that to stop as there are christians calling for abolision of christian hate groups.......


hate and intolerance are the current problem, not either religion.

the hate spewn here by the likes of starman, radio and others is just as much part of the problem as that spewn by muslim cleriks
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Sounds overall right, you shouldn't judge. But, when one group is currently performing the acts, and doing it in the name of their religion, and getting a lot of buy-in throughout their religion, it kind of implies something more to be concerned with compared with other religions of the same time period.
Hitler promised to lead the German People from the ashes of Versailles Treaty to a new Glorious Future, he did this for his own ego and the Glorification of Nazism not because he was a Christian or in the name of Christianity.


If I go down to the local Giant Supermarket, and start killing blacks .... am I just a mass murderer ? but if I yell death to (insert racist comment ), White Power, The South Shall Rise Again, am I still a murder but now also practicing ethnic cleansing in my neighborhood, hate crimes, being a racist ? what about if I stand outside a Catholic Church as mass is letting out and shout Death to Infidels, and Allāhu Akbar, and blow myself up .....
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So, you think the Ku Klux Klan
and the Spanish Inquisition are bad?
So do we, but...
Put the Numbers in Perspective


More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. Crisis Magazine

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years. Lynching Statistics by Year

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. CAIN: Violence - Annual Deaths in Northern Ireland, by 'Status' of Person Killed, August 1969 to December 1995

19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/ESPYdate.pdf
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