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[Toreadoralpha]

Originally Posted by This_person

How do you see them?

Get the kid from the movie The Sixth Sense!

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

...might be a worthwhile conversation to have here had we not just gone through seven years of;

Rapidly turning our nation into a police state under the guise of protecting the 'homeland'

Massive expansion of scope, breadth and cost of government

Invasion of sovereign nations

Titanic increase in what amounts to socialized medicine via the medicaid expansion.

There isn't a one of these any self respecting Marxist wouldn't happily approve of 'for the good of the people'.

[Kerad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by This_person

How do you see them?

With my eyes.

[Toreadoralpha]

Originally Posted by Kerad

With my eyes.

Can you see dead people too!

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...might be a worthwhile conversation to have hear had we not just gone through seven years of;

Rapidly turning our nation into a police state under the guise of protecting the 'homeland'

Massive expansion of scope, breadth and cost of government

Invasion of sovereign nations

Titanic increase in what amounts to socialized medicine via the medicaid expansion.

There isn't a one of these any self respecting Marxist wouldn't happily approve of 'for the good of the people'.

Outside of the "police state" point and "invasion" characterization (I prefer to believe we did what we said we did, which was protect ourselves - a good offense is a great defense), I agree with the rest. A new cabinet level federal department when we really should be eliminating others, huge increases in government scope outside of the constitutional powers, huge increases in social welfare programs.... These are not the values I have as an American or a conservative. And, our "conservative" leadership fell for the abuses of power just like our liberal friends have in the past and present. I would not like to see it accelerate, though, I would prefer to see it stop or go away.

Unfortunately, none of the current likely candidates has any intention of correcting the wrongs, as far as I can tell. It's a matter of degrees of how much worse they'll make things.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Kerad

With my eyes.

Perhaps I was unclear.....

Do you not see the policies, practices, previous votes, etc., of these two candidates in a socialist bent? Do you perceive them in that manner, or what manner do you perceive their policies, votes, platform planks, etc.?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by This_person

Outside of the "police state" point and "invasion" characterization (I prefer to believe we did what we said we did, which was protect ourselves - a good offense is a great defense), I agree with the rest. A new cabinet level federal department when we really should be eliminating others, huge increases in government scope outside of the constitutional powers, huge increases in social welfare programs.... These are not the values I have as an American or a conservative. And, our "conservative" leadership fell for the abuses of power just like our liberal friends have in the past and present. I would not like to see it accelerate, though, I would prefer to see it stop or go away.

Unfortunately, none of the current likely candidates has any intention of correcting the wrongs, as far as I can tell. It's a matter of degrees of how much worse they'll make things.

...with box cutters took over four airplanes through security that wasn't doing the job as already specified and who were already known and being tracked to some extent by federal agencies.

Lax attention to detail failed at the airport. A piece of paper stopped the FBI from shutting them down before it happened.

We needed a minor, common sense adjustment in the legal relations of our existing intelligence and law enforcement services and instead we got a massive upheaval of air travel, government, law, and money and who knows what else. And we did it to ourselves.

Stalin would marvel at the irony of how much force he had to use to get it done in his day were he around to see what we've chosen to do to ourselves.

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...with box cutters took over four airplanes through security that wasn't doing the job as already specified

Box cutters were allowed at the time

[Kerad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by This_person

Perhaps I was unclear.....

Do you not see the policies, practices, previous votes, etc., of these two candidates in a socialist bent? Do you perceive them in that manner, or what manner do you perceive their policies, votes, platform planks, etc.?

No, I don't.

I know it's the Right's way of trying to scare up votes...to point at an opponent and accuse them of being whatever the current buzzword of the week is.

"Ack...Communist! Socialist! IslamoFascistKlingon!!!"


You can take positions of either party and contort them to the point where you can selectively apply a fearmongering label. If that's all you've got, I guess you have to beat it into the ground.

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kerad

I know it's the Right's way of trying to scare up votes...to point at an opponent and accuse them of being whatever the current buzzword of the week is.

Yeah, it's the Right's way...the Left doesn't do the same thing