Gingrich Warns of GOP Catastrophe

[Bann (Premo)]

I just thought Newt's speech contained some good points about conservatives banding/rallying together to hold McCain's feet to the fire so he/the GOP would have to listen to us. I guess I'm being Pollyana thinking that. He can't win the presidency without the conservative base, I think that's a given. But once elected, he'll need Congress to work with him to get anything done. That means he'll need to work with conservatives, too.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

The problem with conservatives is that they get such bad press from every single major news outlet except for Fox. The lefties have effectively turned Fox into this extreme right-wing pariah simply because they give opposing viewpoints and don't just tow the DNC line. Even people who have never watched Fox in their lives are convinced it's some extremist news source and O'Reilly is a raving conservative madman. Now they want to shut down conservative radio, or at least make our tax dollars pay for leftist radio shows.

So good luck to the GOP because they're effectively forced into hiding their conservativism if any of them want to be elected - just a whiff of conservative thought is enough to paint them as a right-wing extremist. A political party has used the media to gain power and silence their opposition and that should scare the hell out of all of us.

I was so happy to find Fox News after the 2000 elections. In all the years before that, I would listen to the nightly news, read newspapers (and mostly stupid woman's magazines articles) & sometimes think "WTF? Is it just me?! [or my circle of friends/relatives] Am I/we the only one(s) who thinks this way?"

After finding FNC and hearing some of the various points of view being presented on their different shows - it was like " 'WOW' that's what I was thinking!" or "Hey, I just said that the other day!" That rarely happened when I watched other newscasts. Plus, I'd already found the internet news blogs (and talk radio) and could follow news from many more sources than than just the liberal newspapers available locally.

[soul4sale]

Originally Posted by Bann

I was so happy to find Fox News after the 2000 elections. In all the years before that, I would listen to the nightly news, read newspapers (and mostly stupid woman's magazines articles) & sometimes think "WTF? Is it just me?! [or my circle of friends/relatives] Am I/we the only one(s) who thinks this way?"

"No," I cried There HAS to be more people like me! There has to be a major news network that caters to warmongers, sh!tkickers and the obscenely rich! I AM NOT ALONE! I couldn't be bothered to read anything with lots of words and technical terms, so I turned on the TV. And then, from the glowing screen, surrounded by easy-to-understand primary colors was Bill O'Reilly, thundering like a golden, vitrol-spewing GOD. And my heart was at peace, for I knew, at that moment, that I was understood. I shed a single tear, wrapped myself in an American flag and spontaneously orgasmed!

It really is a cult...

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bann

I I guess I'm being Pollyana thinking that. He can't win the presidency without the conservative base, I think that's a given. But once elected, he'll need Congress to work with him to get anything done. That means he'll need to work with conservatives, too.

...you are and here's why; McCain does NOT need conservatives. His constituency, the media, has made his appeal, the deeper impression of him, right where it needs to be; in the middle. That's who decides presidential elections.

McCain already got over his biggest hurdle, the primary. That is where his 'RINO' label was supposed to be his biggest problem. Apparently not much of a hurdle for Big John.

From here, he faces a Barrack Obama who has faced virtually no scrutiny, certainly not to the degree we've put McCain through, and moderates are either going to embrace a profoundly left leaning candidate or one who is known in his own party as being far from a right wing candidate; right up their ally.

So, conservatives get nothing from supporting McCain because he doesn't need us. Anything he is given in terms of conservative support simply ends up validating a leftward tack in the body politic.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by soul4sale

"No," I cried There HAS to be more people like me! There has to be a major news network that caters to warmongers, sh!tkickers and the obscenely rich! I AM NOT ALONE! I couldn't be bothered to read anything with lots of words and technical terms, so I turned on the TV. And then, from the glowing screen, surrounded by easy-to-understand primary colors was Bill O'Reilly, thundering like a golden, vitrol-spewing GOD. And my heart was at peace, for I knew, at that moment, that I was understood. I shed a single tear, wrapped myself in an American flag and spontaneously orgasmed!

It really is a cult...

Apparently YOU can't be bothered to read MY words.

What Bann actually wrote:
Plus, I'd already found the internet news blogs (and talk radio) and could follow news from many more sources than than just the liberal newspapers available locally.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...you are and here's why; McCain does NOT need conservatives. His constituency, the media, has made his appeal, the deeper impression of him, right where it needs to be; in the middle. That's who decides presidential elections.

McCain already got over his biggest hurdle, the primary. That is where his 'RINO' label was supposed to be his biggest problem. Apparently not much of a hurdle for Big John.

From here, he faces a Barrack Obama who has faced virtually no scrutiny, certainly not to the degree we've put McCain through, and moderates are either going to embrace a profoundly left leaning candidate or one who is known in his own party as being far from a right wing candidate; right up their ally.

So, conservatives get nothing from supporting McCain because he doesn't need us. Anything he is given in terms of conservative support simply ends up validating a leftward tack in the body politic.

Hmmm. Well...then I guess I'll be right there ------->
next to the others taking the showers when I get out of the voting booth!

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

So, conservatives get nothing from supporting McCain because he doesn't need us. Anything he is given in terms of conservative support simply ends up validating a leftward tack in the body politic.

What I don't get is how so many Republicans can have it in their head that what any candidate, on either side, says on the campaign trail is a rock-solid measure of what they will do once they win. I keep hearing Hannity and others saying what McCain needs is to tell voters that he's a conservative, and I gotta keep wondering who's so foolish as to believe what a candidate says as compared to what he/she has done?

The one central theme that has run through McCain's life is he doesn't like being told what to do. Like a lot of kids of military officers, his childhood was highly regulated. He was always in trouble at the USNA for disrespect to superiors and failure to follow orders. And more recently whenever the Republican leadership called for unity on an issue, McCain would go the other way. A guy like this can talk all he wants about how he supports conservative views, but his track record clearly shows that if conservatives hold his feet to the fire, he's going to run away from the fire.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I'm not voting for McCain. Or Obama.

Still writing in Alan Keyes?

[FireBrand (Premo)]

Gingrich-Coulter 08

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

What I don't get is how so many Republicans can have it in their head that what any candidate, on either side, says on the campaign trail is a rock-solid measure of what they will do once they win. I keep hearing Hannity and others saying what McCain needs is to tell voters that he's a conservative, and I gotta keep wondering who's so foolish as to believe what a candidate says as compared to what he/she has done?

The one central theme that has run through McCain's life is he doesn't like being told what to do. Like a lot of kids of military officers, his childhood was highly regulated. He was always in trouble at the USNA for disrespect to superiors and failure to follow orders. And more recently whenever the Republican leadership called for unity on an issue, McCain would go the other way. A guy like this can talk all he wants about how he supports conservative views, but his track record clearly shows that if conservatives hold his feet to the fire, he's going to run away from the fire.

...scared of an Obama or Clinton II presidency. They use the phrase 'lesser of two evils' all the time, so, it's the desire to make the best of a bad situation and loyalty to the last and that's all well and good. To a point.

If I thought McCain actually gave a damn about the constitution, my holy grail, I could get on board, however reluctantly, but one of the biggest things a president McCain may do is select supreme court justices and the judges I think are correct on the constitution are judges that would reject things McCain believes in. On top of that, his base nature seems to stand in the way of choices with fealty to good, consistent jurisprudence and, on top of that, he'll be under immense pressure to deliver for his political base again, the media, like he did with McCain/Feingold, a Dredd Scott-esque monument to non sense.

George Bush has taken the GOP spiraling well off into globalist, world governing waters that can only succeed if the very fabric of America is changed which he has also done in numerous, harmful ways.

If the lesser of two evils is falling off a 100 foot cliff instead of a 200 foot cliff, I'll scratch and claw and try to break the fall I'm on. That's how I see this.