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Old 07-23-2003, 01:20 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Why is Bush, the man who when he ran asked why the US government was becoming the world’s policeman, now making our country the chief of policing?
The United States is THE Super Power! It is not only our job but our duty to protect and police the world.

Regardless, the Invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were a direct effort to protect this nation. We didn't go in to save Africa!

You're eyes are closed. That's your choice! If it makes you feel better to save money and pray that terrorism disappears, go right ahead!

Personally, I thank God everyday that this country is finally being led by a man who is willing to do something! Sitting around complaining and second guessing are worthless endeavors!

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To do that, we’ll have to have additional housing vouchers for the people who work at places like Wal-Mart
I want you to read the above statement several times. I know that sometimes you can get so wrapped up in what you are trying to say that you miss how truly offensive your statements might sound.

If you ever hope to be elected you may want to abstain from offending the employees of one of the largest corporations in the county.
 
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Old 07-25-2003, 10:34 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Hi Ken,
Did you read or hear about the Congressional Report on the causes of the 9/11 tragedy? 28 pages of the report have been declared not available to the public. The 28 pages deal with the involvement of Saudi Arabia in 9/11. If the Saudi’s were exonerated, why did those 28 pages have to be withheld?
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Old 07-26-2003, 12:34 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Hi Ken,
Did you read or hear about the Congressional Report on the causes of the 9/11 tragedy? 28 pages of the report have been declared not available to the public. The 28 pages deal with the involvement of Saudi Arabia in 9/11. If the Saudi’s were exonerated, why did those 28 pages have to be withheld?
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Just started downloading the file and will read it over the next couple of days and then talk about the reported 28 pages that might have legitimate reason from being censured from the report.
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Old 07-26-2003, 12:50 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Hello Kain 99,
Sorry if I offended the upper level managers at Wal-Mart. They do have pretty good jobs. Folks who work on the floor of the store would probably prefer to have a job where they could get more than 30 hours a week and have health insurance. Wal-Mart saves us money by underpaying the people who do the work. Visit the web site Wal-martwatch.com and follow some of its links. Or visit walmartvswomen.com. There’s another side to the story besides the side you are thinking about.
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Old 07-26-2003, 12:56 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Hi Ken,
I hope you have a high speed internet connection. Based on what I saw on tv, the Congressional Report on 9/11 is about 450 pages long. If it's a pdf file, you'll be downloading a long time. Please let me know how long it took so I can decide if I want to tie up my computer for that long.
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Old 07-26-2003, 12:49 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Hi Ken,
I hope you have a high speed internet connection. Based on what I saw on tv, the Congressional Report on 9/11 is about 450 pages long. If it's a pdf file, you'll be downloading a long time. Please let me know how long it took so I can decide if I want to tie up my computer for that long.
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Nope, no high speed for me (not yet anyway). It is 858 pages and took about an hour to download via standard dialup. I've read a couple hundred pages of it this morning and took a break to surf the forums.

From what I have read so far it is a slam to the intelligence community and their lack of "connectivity". The things that prevented us from "reading the writing on the wall" should become less of a failure as Homeland Defense gets geared up and equipped. Bush's reorganization seems to be what the doctor ordered, now if we just give the patient a chance we might survive further instances of this nature (or at least scale) in the future.
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Old 07-26-2003, 09:33 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Hello again Ken,
I admire a man with download patience. I'll be interested to hear what you think might be in the redacted pages.
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Old 07-27-2003, 09:21 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Hello again Ken,
I admire a man with download patience. I'll be interested to hear what you think might be in the redacted pages.
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As of now I am about half-way through the report. Deleted information appears to be that associated with ongoing investigations, capability of the analytical and operational functions of the Intelligence Community, and protection of contacts (aka, informers). It isn’t like there is a specific chapter directed solely at Saudi Arabia that is missing.

The fact that Al Qaeda 9/11 terrorists were predominantly of Saudi nationality is a significant interest as the intelligence folk are trying to determine if the Kingdom is a threat. While I find it unlikely that the Royal family is directly involved there are many extremists occupying positions within the government that could have provided assistance to these terrorists. I further understand that there is a continuing effort by our government, in conjunction with the Royal family, to determine if individuals within the Saudi government have assisted the terrorists in any manner.

The focus of the report is as I stated earlier, and that is the failures of, lack of connectivity, and sharing by the Intelligence Communities many groups. Personally, I haven’t read anything of a surprising nature in this report. These weaknesses have been known for years and the “Re-invention of Government”, in my mind, played a role in further depleting personnel resources that are vital to the intelligence function of our national security.

The creation of Homeland Defense by the Bush administration is a step towards enhancing the intelligence capability that has been sorely missed. It should allow for greater information sharing, reduction of duplication in investigations, and a greater protection for the populace as a whole.
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Old 07-27-2003, 12:32 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Okay, finally got to the blank pages. Unsure of what they could possibvly state as they are truly blank with about 10 to 15 words remaining on the 28 pages. What is interesting is the following quote of material added after the report had been submitted in December, but proceding the missing pages.
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"It should be clear that this Joint Inquiry has made no final determinations as to the reliability or sufficiency of the information regarding these issues that was found contained in FBI and CIA documents. It was not the task of this Joint Inquiry to conduct the kind of extensive investigation that would be required to determine the true significance of such alleged support to the hijackers."
Now that to me is just one big clarifier saying that they can't prove it and it is still inder investigation. Which is probably one of the reasons that it was withheld.

If you are looking for the missing pages they start on page 396 of the original report, page 416 of the report with items added after December, or page 448 using the adobe page counter.
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Gosh! They are politicians, aren't they?
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