Double Life of Barack Obama

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Are we just supposed to ignore it and pretend that Barack Obama hasn't been going to an anti-white hate America church for 20 years?

See, Larry - I TOLD you. THIS is the spin and what it will boil down to - all the Republicans' fault.

Please... the Catholic Churches have been preaching intollerance for years! In fact all churches do to one extent or another. The concept that this Wright guy and his church are the only ones who preach intollerance of others is just plain silly. The only difference is that you are now hearing a preacher attacking things you value. I just found out that my great-grandmother engineered the ending of three of her five kids's marriages, including that of my own grandparents, and forced two of my uncles to change their names and convert their religion, all in the name of oberserving the dogma of the Catholics. You're just having the same reaction to being at the receiving end of a religious attack that gays, divoricees, woman who had abortions, Jews, Muslims, and others have had to endure and you aren't liking it any better than they did. And when these groups were attacked, what was the position of most church-going conservatives? "Hey... that's the church's issues, the church's views, not those of the candidate!" We then attacked Democrats and Liberals for dragging religion into politics, for attacking a candidate because of something some off-the-wall preacher said, for using scare tactics to think that a candidate would blindly adhere to everything that his church said to do. Remember when we used to see this practice as wrong? And what are we doing when given the same opportunity? What was wrong suddenly becomes okay for us to do, and when we think like that we become more and more like those we oppose.

Are all Christians anti-gay because they attend churches that don't accept homosexualism? Are all Christians anti-Jew because some church leaders require Jews to convert to marry? Are all Jews anti-Christian because some church leaders require non-Jews to convert to marry? As for Wright and Obama, all you know for sure is that Obama has been going to his church for 20 years. How long has Wright been making these comments? 20 years? 20 months? 5 years? We don't know, so saying that Obama's been hearing these things for 20 years is not a factual statement and just a personal judgement... another thing we have rallied aganst over the years.

Is Wright a racist, anti-American, bigot? He could be. But people won't be voting for him any more than people who voted for Romney were voting for Brigham Young, or people who voted for Bush were voting for Bob Young or Jerry Falwell.

Originally Posted by Baja28

just making a joke right? Right???

I say this because no one in their sane mind would believe that a man follows his spirtual leader for 20 years without picking up on and agreeing with his message.

That's a pretty lame joke there Bruz....

For well over 50 years, guys like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Billy Graham have served as "spiritual advisers" to Republican presidents going back to Eisenhower. All of these guys have made devisive, racist, predjudiced, intollerent, and anti-American statements that are just as bad as those of Wright. But we always urged everyone, even the offended, to vote for these candidates based on their own convictions and not those of any minister the candidate talks to or takes advice from.

Okay... explain this to me... besides the fact that many on the Right are now being offended, what's the difference between Graham, Falwell, and Wright?

[Sonsie]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Please... the Catholic Churches have been preaching intollerance for years! In fact all churches do to one extent or another. The concept that this Wright guy and his church are the only ones who preach intollerance of others is just plain silly. The only difference is that you are now hearing a preacher attacking things you value. I just found out that my great-grandmother engineered the ending of three of her five kids's marriages, including that of my own grandparents, and forced two of my uncles to change their names and convert their religion, all in the name of oberserving the dogma of the Catholics. You're just having the same reaction to being at the receiving end of a religious attack that gays, divoricees, woman who had abortions, Jews, Muslims, and others have had to endure and you aren't liking it any better than they did. And when these groups were attacked, what was the position of most church-going conservatives? "Hey... that's the church's issues, the church's views, not those of the candidate!" We then attacked Democrats and Liberals for dragging religion into politics, for attacking a candidate because of something some off-the-wall preacher said, for using scare tactics to think that a candidate would blindly adhere to everything that his church said to do. Remember when we used to see this practice as wrong? And what are we doing when given the same opportunity? What was wrong suddenly becomes okay for us to do, and when we think like that we become more and more like those we oppose.

Are all Christians anti-gay because they attend churches that don't accept homosexualism? Are all Christians anti-Jew because some church leaders require Jews to convert to marry? Are all Jews anti-Christian because some church leaders require non-Jews to convert to marry? As for Wright and Obama, all you know for sure is that Obama has been going to his church for 20 years. How long has Wright been making these comments? 20 years? 20 months? 5 years? We don't know, so saying that Obama's been hearing these things for 20 years is not a factual statement and just a personal judgement... another thing we have rallied aganst over the years.

Is Wright a racist, anti-American, bigot? He could be. But people won't be voting for him any more than people who voted for Romney were voting for Brigham Young, or people who voted for Bush were voting for Bob Young or Jerry Falwell.

Well, excuse the #### out of us for thinking this guy dosen't have our best interests at heart. We know he has blacks and the African continent high on his list but strangely, I don't get a warm fuzzy from him. Odd that...

Originally Posted by Sonsie

Well, excuse the #### out of us for thinking this guy dosen't have our best interests at heart. We know he has blacks and the African continent high on his list but strangely, I don't get a warm fuzzy from him. Odd that...

I cant believe anyone is falling for his crap at least with Clinton, she ll put her hand over her heart for the pledge of alliegence. Lets vote for someone that doesnt believe on the foundations this country was founded on I cant believe no one has their BS detector going off on this guy, am I the only one that senses that Bacrock O Bamma says one thing and does two entirely different things?

Originally Posted by Sonsie

Well, excuse the #### out of us for thinking this guy dosen't have our best interests at heart. We know he has blacks and the African continent high on his list but strangely, I don't get a warm fuzzy from him. Odd that...

Please don't confuse the issues. I agree 100% that Obama doesn't have "our" best interests at heart. I look at Obama and see the second coming of George McGovern, and a guy who, if he gets his way, will push for every entitlement and giveaway program you can imagine. He'll screw over the taxpayers and reward the deadbeats, of that I am sure. But that's not the issue here. I have no issues with challenging Obama on his views about entitlements or higher taxes, or challenging him on any statements he may have ever made that are similar to those of Wrights. All of that is fair game.

The issue here is when we attack Obama for what his minister/church has said, not what Obama has said, we are stooping to the same despicable tactics that we have damned the Democrats for for decades. We looked down on the Dems as anti-religious, kool-aid drinking, power-crazed people who would do anything to get or keep power. And look at what we're becoming... the exact same thing. We have urged reconciliation and tolerance from people who oppose the view of the religious dogma we approve of, then attack someone who hears a dogma that we don't like. We ignore all the negatives of our candidate and lie to ourselves that he might be a conservative, and even Limbaugh says it's perfectly okay to use the same dirty tricks the Democrats use... and this coming from a guy who has always preached that Republicans win when we stick to our core ideals.

Originally Posted by wkndbeacher

I cant believe no one has their BS detector going off on this guy, am I the only one that senses that Bacrock O Bamma says one thing and does two entirely different things?

You mean like John McCain?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Please don't confuse the issues. I agree 100% that Obama doesn't have "our" best interests at heart. I look at Obama and see the second coming of George McGovern,

...fair, at all. To McGovern.

[Baja28]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

For well over 50 years, guys like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Billy Graham have served as "spiritual advisers" to Republican presidents going back to Eisenhower. All of these guys have made devisive, racist, predjudiced, intollerent, and anti-American statements that are just as bad as those of Wright. But we always urged everyone, even the offended, to vote for these candidates based on their own convictions and not those of any minister the candidate talks to or takes advice from.

Okay... explain this to me... besides the fact that many on the Right are now being offended, what's the difference between Graham, Falwell, and Wright?

Are Graham and Falwell screaming "GOD DAMN AMERICA"??

Does Graham and Falwell advocate the advancement of only their race?

Do Graham and Falwell have written in their ministries core values that they are solely dedicated to another country?

Do Graham and Falwell scream that another race has (and is) holding them down?

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Please... the Catholic Churches have been preaching intollerance for years! In fact all churches do to one extent or another.

You don't see a difference in "Our religious beliefs are sacrosanct and correct" and "GOD DAMN AMERICA"?

If you can't ...

Well, if you can't then I don't know what to say.

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

The concept that this Wright guy and his church are the only ones who preach intollerance of others is just plain silly.

I've been to Churches. I've been to Catholic Churches.

NEVER - and I mean NEVER - IN MY LIFE have I heard the kind of bigotted hate filled hysteria that I heard this morning. And if I did, you bet your ass that I would have walked the #### out.

Here's the other thing... Does Wright have the right to say the things he says? Sure he does. And if he wants to sit in his little vat of hatred and spit venom at the rest of the world, then he's more than welcome to. If he wants to preach intolerance and hold protests and wish death on the white man, that's his God given right.

But do you really think that one of his followers - someone that has broken bread with this nut, someone that referred to him as AN UNCLE - to be LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD? That's what the problem is. That someone who is the member of the flock of a man who by his own mouth has cursed this country MAY BE IN CHARGE OF IT!

WTF?

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Is Wright a racist, anti-American, bigot? He could be.

Don't mean to be a spelling nazi - but you misspelled "You're ####ing-A right, he is."

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

But people won't be voting for him any more than people who voted for Romney were voting for Brigham Young, or people who voted for Bush were voting for Bob Young or Jerry Falwell.

No, they're only going to be voting for someone who has voluntarily allied themselves with him for the past 20 ####ing years.

Not his religion. Not his spirituality... HIM. Personally.


I'm sorry - but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say.

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Okay... explain this to me... besides the fact that many on the Right are now being offended, what's the difference between Graham, Falwell, and Wright?

God.

Damn.

America.




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