Double Life of Barack Obama

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Didn't a lot of us vote for George Bush, who is allied with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, the former of whom said "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve" and the later who agreed with his comment?

Define "allied".

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ylexot

Define "allied".

...Falwell or Robertson say 'God damn America' in church. And he said 9/11 was them queers fault.

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Thank you for reaffirming my point. Yes, you could walk out... that's called religious freedom. Or, you could have stayed and cheered... that's called religious freedom too. Or, you could have stayed and talked to the minister afterwards and said you objected to what he said... that's called religious freedom too. We are not supposed to hold how anyone views their religious freedom against them... but it looks like now it's okay to do so if it helps us keep the White House.

Unless Libertarians are elected, I will never "keep" the White House.

Stop lumping me in with the ####ing conservatives. I hate right-wing BS as much as I hate left-wing BS.



There just happens to be much more left-wing BS for me to be vocal about.



Now, as I said above, religious freedom is one thing. If Obama wants to stand up an cheer when someone says GOD DAMN AMERICA, then let him... That's not what I have a problem with.

I have a big problem with ELECTING someone who voluntarily follows and financially supports a man who does this.


And you seem to laboring under the delusion that I'm defending prejudice and hatred in ANY church past or present. I know what the Church has done, I don't need a history lesson. But that's not the point. Are any other candidates the spiritual proteges of a racist lunatic?



I will make you this promise right now.


If a White Anglo-Saxon Christian (no-doubt Republican) presidential candidate is someday discovered to be a member of the congregation of an America-hating racist, I will denounce that person and I hang posters of that person's face inside a slashed-circle.

[ylexot (Premo)]

I haven't been able to find anything about Bush supporting/agreeing with Robertson. I did find a few things about Robertson disagreeing with Bush though. Best I could find between Bush and Falwell was an extremely lukewarm statement after he died.

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Didn't a lot of us vote for George Bush, who is allied with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, the former of whom said "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve" and the later who agreed with his comment?

What do you mean "allied with"?


As far as I know the only "alliance" between Bush, Falwell and Robertson is that they're all Christians.




So is Wright, is he not?

[Nupe2]

Obama Race Speech: Read The Full Text - Politics on The Huffington Post

[Baja28]

Originally Posted by Kerad

I don't need any credit from the likes of you. Just knowing I'm nothing like you is all I need to feel good about myself.

Here's the thing Kerad. You don't equate a pimple on my taint. In fact, because they are on my taint, they're much better than you.

Knowing that you're the opposite of me is perfectly fine. I love my country and despise anyone who doesn't. I'd die defending her, even if it means protecting cowards like you.

Originally Posted by Kerad

And some people wonder why the conservative movement is dying.
What a bunch of whackjobs. (Bruzilla excluded.)

I'm hoping some of you may be acting this way just because it's the internet...and you think it's fun to engage in public displays of group tardation. But I'm certain many of you actually buy into the BS you're spewing...chugging the kool-aid in between posts.


What an embarrassment.
Reinforcing the caricature of the Republican Right...one thread at a time.

I wouldn't be too quick to gloat. The Republican party may be sinking, but it's to a level that the Democrats have been at for a long time.

[Kerad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by MMDad

Can I take that you, like Bruzilla, feel that "God Damn America" is nothing to care about? Is that belief a positive for a presidential candidate?

This is a complete deal breaker for me. Until I saw that video, and Obama's lame attempt to distance him from those remarks, I saw him as one of the lesser evils.

The way he handled this issue has put me solidly in the camp of "anyone but Obama."

It would be something to care about if it was a video of Obama saying that.

Honestly...are you really so simple minded that your brain is actually thinking: "Oh my! If Obama's minister/friend is saying those things, then that means Obama certainly must feel the exact same!!!"

Really? It's just that simple???


I'm not saying you should vote for Obama. I'm sure 99% of you Righties weren't going to vote for him no matter what....which is why I stayed out of most of the Obama talk.

It's not as if his buddy was indicted for any criminal wrong doing, as in Giuliani's case. And it's not even that Obama said anything inflammatory.

Yet here you are... ...because Obama's minister said something controversial.


It really would be funny if you all weren't serious. Now it's just sad.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...Falwell or Robertson say 'God damn America' in church. And he said 9/11 was them queers fault.

Larry... for crying out loud!!! You're on the internet all friggin day, and you can't figure out what is the truth and what is spin. What's the deal with you? Falwell never mentioned "queers" in that statement. He, and Robertson, said the following:

Falwell: "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
Robertson: "Well, Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror, we haven't begun to see what they can do to the major population."
Falwell: "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen."
Robertson: "I totally concur, and the problem is we've adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system."
Falwell: "Pat, did you notice yesterday that the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, the People for the American Way, NOW, etc., were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress, as they went out on the steps and and called out to God in prayer and sang 'God bless America' and said, let the ACLU be hanged. In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time, calling on God."