Double Life of Barack Obama

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by Kerad

It would be something to care about if it was a video of Obama saying that.

Say you're watching a video of a Klan meeting.


The Grand Wizard is up there talking, making an elaborate hate filled speech to the cheering mass surrounding him.



Now.... Who in the video do you have a problem with - the Grand Wizard, or every single mother ####er wearing a sheet?






Just curious.

[Kerad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Baja28

Here's the thing Kerad. You don't equate a pimple on my taint. In fact, because they are on my taint, they're much better than you.

Knowing that you're the opposite of me is perfectly fine. I love my country and despise anyone who doesn't. I'd die defending her, even if it means protecting cowards like you.

Yeah yeah...time for the internet patriot talk.
So impressive.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Larry... for crying out loud!!! You're on the internet all friggin day, and you can't figure out what is the truth and what is spin. What's the deal with you? Falwell never mentioned "queers" in that statement. He, and Robertson, said the following:

Falwell: "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
Robertson: "Well, Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror, we haven't begun to see what they can do to the major population."
Falwell: "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen."
Robertson: "I totally concur, and the problem is we've adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system."
Falwell: "Pat, did you notice yesterday that the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, the People for the American Way, NOW, etc., were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress, as they went out on the steps and and called out to God in prayer and sang 'God bless America' and said, let the ACLU be hanged. In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time, calling on God."

See???

Originally Posted by Toxick

What do you mean "allied with"?

As far as I know the only "alliance" between Bush, Falwell and Robertson is that they're all Christians.

So is Wright, is he not?

I mean allied with as in attending their sermons, having them as guests to the White House, calling them friends, trusted advisers, and confidants, supporting their views on religion, abortion, gay marriage, etc... you know... allied with. As opposed to say, Jessie Jackson, who gets a "None of the Above" to the aforementioned behaviors.

Since Obama said he has always been a Christian I can only assume that Wright is as well. But I doubt that Wright has preached opening your arms to rich white people any more than Falwell preached opening your arms to gays.

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Larry... for crying out loud!!! You're on the internet all friggin day, and you can't figure out what is the truth and what is spin. What's the deal with you? Falwell never mentioned "queers" in that statement. He, and Robertson, said the following:

Falwell: "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
Robertson: "Well, Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror, we haven't begun to see what they can do to the major population."
Falwell: "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen."
Robertson: "I totally concur, and the problem is we've adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system."
Falwell: "Pat, did you notice yesterday that the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, the People for the American Way, NOW, etc., were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress, as they went out on the steps and and called out to God in prayer and sang 'God bless America' and said, let the ACLU be hanged. In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time, calling on God."

Yup. Robertson and Falwell are idiots. I don't think you'll get any argument from anybody here. Where's the alliance with Bush?

[Baja28]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Yeah yeah...time for the internet patriot talk.
So impressive.

You should be impressed. I can prove I'm a patriot. Can you?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Kerad

It would be something to care about if it was a video of Obama saying that.

Honestly...are you really so simple minded that your brain is actually thinking: "Oh my! If Obama's minister/friend is saying those things, then that means Obama certainly must feel the exact same!!!"

Really? It's just that simple???

So, he wasn't at the church EVERY Sunday, right? There's not much shock in that, who is? Let's say he's more religious than the average liberal, and went once a month. For twenty years. Quick math makes that 240 sermons. Now, if you heard 240 sermons, do you think you'd get a pretty good feel for who the pastor was?

I'm guessing you'd say you'd have a good feel for 240 sermons as to what the pastor thinks. So, you know that these types of things are a norm for this guy (if they had ONE statement, or someone said "wow, that's not like him at all", I'd have to argue against this assumption. No one's done that, so I think it's a fair assumption to say the recorded sermons are normal for the pastor).

Knowing that this is normal for him, you - Barry Obama - have a choice. You can continue to go to this guy, or you can find someone who holds views you agree with more. Unless, of course, these ARE the views you agree with more.

Well, how can we determine that? Did he actively support this man's rhetoric? Well, to the tunes of tens of thousands of dollars and a position in his campaign, I'd have to say yes.

So, is it THAT simple to presume what Wright says is indicative of what Barry thinks? Yes, it's that simple.

I'm not saying you should vote for Obama. I'm sure 99% of you Righties weren't going to vote for him no matter what....which is why I stayed out of most of the Obama talk.

It's not as if his buddy was indicted for any criminal wrong doing, as in Giuliani's case. And it's not even that Obama said anything inflammatory.

Yet here you are... ...because Obama's minister said something controversial.


It really would be funny if you all weren't serious. Now it's just sad.

You're right, it's not like he's a Clinton, who's business partners routinely wind up in jail, indicted, or just dead (appropriate not for Bill, but for Hillary Rodham). While it's true that many conservatives would not vote for such a confirmed and paper-trailed liberal as Barry (for ideological reasons), this provides yet another insight into the man to show not voting for him for patriotic and race relation reasons, either. After all, it can be shown that the current (Republican) president has shown the greatest amount of racial diversity in his cabinet EVER, yet we "righties" are accused of the racism.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Your "sad", serious condemnation of open discussion is not funny in any way.

[toppick08 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Yeah yeah...time for the internet patriot talk.
So impressive.

What time you want to meet at the lake........

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I mean allied with as in attending their sermons, having them as guests to the White House, calling them friends, trusted advisers, and confidants, supporting their views on religion, abortion, gay marriage, etc... you know... allied with.

Well two things with that:

I've never been a Bush fan. I only voted for him once, and I only did that because the thought of Kerry as leader of the free world make my bowel-movements all liquidy. So take that as you will.

Secondly, I'll have to do some more looking up on just how much of a bond there was between Bush and Revs. Falwell and Robertson. Having powerful right-wing talking heads over to deliver speeches is a far cry from, "This man is like an uncle to me, I think I'll listen to his sermons every week for the next 20 years".

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Since Obama said he has always been a Christian I can only assume that Wright is as well. But I doubt that Wright has preached opening your arms to rich white people any more than Falwell preached opening your arms to gays.

Yeah - well I never much liked Falwell either.


I didn't dance on his grave like our compassionate liberal friends, but I didn't shed any tears either.

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by toppick08

What time you want to meet at the lake........

Alright you two, get a room.

You don't need to make dates out in public.