Double Life of Barack Obama

Originally Posted by Toxick

Say you're watching a video of a Klan meeting.

The Grand Wizard is up there talking, making an elaborate hate filled speech to the cheering mass surrounding him.

Now.... Who in the video do you have a problem with - the Grand Wizard, or every single mother ####er wearing a sheet?

Just curious.

I can do you one better! I've told this before, but I guess it bears repeating. When I was in the Navy here in Jacksonville back in the early 1980's, I was stopped at a traffic light next to Orange Park Mall. I saw some black kids coming down the lines of traffic with buckets, and they were collecting money for some cause, the UNCF I think. Then I looked at the other side of the road, and here's all these Klansman in their robes walking along traffic collecting money for the KKK! Being a kid from Pittsburgh, and having never been in a blooming race riot before, I just about freaked and considered slamming into whatever cars I needed to to get out of that warzone before the shooting started. The black kids were all wearing signs that said support the UNCF or whatever, and the KKK all had signs, and a bullhorn, calling for support for the Klan. I was sure I was going to get shot at any minute. Where were the cops? Where was the National Guard?

Then I got to the intersection itself, and on one corner there was an umbrella table with a couple of cops sitting there, and a big water jug. And guess who's standing next to the water jug, getting drinks and chatting? Black kids and KKK members!!! They were just standing there taking a break from the day's efforts, talking and smiling!!! I realized that those Klan members had no more hatred for those black kids than I did, and that those black kids were no more worried about those klansmen than me as a white kid feared them. I also realized that it wasn't about white supremecy, it wasn't about black pride, it was about money. Both sides needed it, both sides wanted it, and both sides attacked the other to get it. But at the end of the day, they were just ordinary people who could get along just fine with one another.

So no... I don't have a knee-jerk reaction that everyone sitting in the audience shares all the views of the firebrand at the front.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

See???

Do I see you were wrong? Yes, I do.

[Kerad]

Originally Posted by Toxick

Say you're watching a video of a Klan meeting.


The Grand Wizard is up there talking, making an elaborate hate filled speech to the cheering mass surrounding him.



Now.... Who in the video do you have a problem with - the Grand Wizard, or every single mother ####er wearing a sheet?


Just curious.

If there's a video or some other evidence that Obama actively cheered and approved of the speeches in question, things would certainly be different.

Funny how the only videos that have miraculously sprung up are the controversial ones. Do you think this is all the guy ever said? Evey single Sunday...nothing but these types of remarks? Or do you think the majority of his sermons were a bit more of what we expect a preacher to speak about?

Of course, putting these speeches into the context of an entire career's worth of sermons would decrease the shock value...so we're not going to have any of that.


As I stated before, when something can be attributed directly to Obama....then I'm interested. Until then, it's nothing I'm concerned about.

Originally Posted by This_person

So, he wasn't at the church EVERY Sunday, right? There's not much shock in that, who is? Let's say he's more religious than the average liberal, and went once a month. For twenty years. Quick math makes that 240 sermons. Now, if you heard 240 sermons, do you think you'd get a pretty good feel for who the pastor was?

You're making a declarative statement that his pastor has been saying these things for 20 years. Might I inquire that this declaration is based on? All I keep hearing are excerpts from the sermons he made during his final year as the pastor.

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by Kerad

It would be something to care about if it was a video of Obama saying that.

Honestly...are you really so simple minded that your brain is actually thinking: "Oh my! If Obama's minister/friend is saying those things, then that means Obama certainly must feel the exact same!!!"

Really? It's just that simple???

There's a restaurant in your town the uses slave labor. You eat there every Sunday for 20 years. You know the cooks are slaves.

Are you culpable? After all, you aren't the slave owner, you're just a patron, right?

Ask yourself this: Did Obama know that the sermons were filled with this vitriole? Did he choose to continue attending the church for 20 years? Did he make Wright an adviser?

He made his bed. He can sleep in it.

[Kerad]

Originally Posted by Baja28

You should be impressed. I can prove I'm a patriot. Can you?

I don't need to prove my patriotism...especially to you.

[aps45819 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kerad

If there's a video or some other evidence that Obama actively cheered and approved of the speeches in question, things would certainly be different..

Why? If I just put on a sheet and quietly stood by the door of the Klan meeting, would I be less racist than if I stood on the stage cheering?

Originally Posted by Kerad

Funny how the only videos that have miraculously sprung up are the controversial ones. Do you think this is all the guy ever said? Evey single Sunday...nothing but these types of remarks? Or do you think the majority of his sermons were a bit more of what we expect a preacher to speak about?

As I stated before, when something can be attributed directly to Obama....then I'm interested. Until then, it's nothing I'm concerned about

The church sell the tapes of the sermons.

[vraiblonde]

You people defending Obama are just mind-blowing.

And I say again:

SEE, LARRY?????

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by Kerad

If there's a video or some other evidence that Obama actively cheered and approved of the speeches in question, things would certainly be different.

Funny how the only videos that have miraculously sprung up are the controversial ones. Do you think this is all the guy ever said? Evey single Sunday...nothing but these types of remarks? Or do you think the majority of his sermons were a bit more of what we expect a preacher to speak about?

Of course, putting these speeches into the context of an entire career's worth of sermons would decrease the shock value...so we're not going to have any of that.


As I stated before, when something can be attributed directly to Obama....then I'm interested. Until then, it's nothing I'm concerned about.

If that were true, don't you think Obama would be pointing that out? If it were really a rare occurence, wouldn't he say so?

Did you hear what Obama said today? He said Wright is wrong. He wasn't wrong for twenty years, he just suddenly became wrong when the press took off with this story.

[Baja28]

Originally Posted by Kerad

If there's a video or some other evidence that Obama actively cheered and approved of the speeches in question, things would certainly be different.

Funny how the only videos that have miraculously sprung up are the controversial ones. Do you think this is all the guy ever said? Evey single Sunday...nothing but these types of remarks? Or do you think the majority of his sermons were a bit more of what we expect a preacher to speak about?

Of course, putting these speeches into the context of an entire career's worth of sermons would decrease the shock value...so we're not going to have any of that.

As I stated before, when something can be attributed directly to Obama....then I'm interested. Until then, it's nothing I'm concerned about.

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

You're making a declarative statement that his pastor has been saying these things for 20 years. Might I inquire that this declaration is based on? All I keep hearing are excerpts from the sermons he made during his final year as the pastor.

Oh come on!!! You mean only in the last year this douchebag started his anti-American rhetoric? Their website just suddenly became anti-American?

Say that out loud several times please.