What if: Democrats' first choice loses nomination?

[Mateo]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I think the answer to that question is nothing. This election is really an anomally in our political history. On the Democrat side, everyone knew that Hillary was going to be running this year, so most quality candidates sat out the contest. On the Republican side, I think most our best candidates saw that the war in Iraq was going to be the dominant issue, and also saw it as a loser issue for Republicans, so they sat out. At the end of the day you had the perennial Democrats like Richardson, Biden, and Kucinich, and those with nothing to lose like Obama, running; and a host of B-list and lower Republicans. The 2012 election is going to have much better candidates.

If we do nothing, then we get more of the same.
From your previous postings, you are hoping for a train wreck. From mine, I have always said that I want to prevent one.
Looks like you will be getting your wish.
God bless the USA !

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...let me make a note here.

Here's something else to make a note of... if McCain loses expect to see Condi Rice running in 2012. Remember you heard it here first!

Originally Posted by Mateo

If we do nothing, then we get more of the same.

Sorry, but I can't see it that way. We had just way too many top-flight conservatives sit this race out, I'm guessing because they wrongly believed that Hillary was unbeatable, or because the war might doom Republicans, or because all the polls were showing a generic Democrat was going to win. Top-tier candidates are only going to run in a campaign they feel confident of winning, and they don't go out to be cannon fodder as they'll be forever maked as a "former candidate" and that can be bad.... not always... but sometimes. If someone has a better idea why all the top Republicans sat out 2008 I would love to hear it.

[Kerad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Here's something else to make a note of... if McCain loses expect to see Condi Rice running in 2012. Remember you heard it here first!

Because America just can't get enough of the Bush administration?

[Mateo]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Sorry, but I can't see it that way. We had just way too many top-flight conservatives sit this race out, I'm guessing because they wrongly believed that Hillary was unbeatable, or because the war might doom Republicans, or because all the polls were showing a generic Democrat was going to win. Top-tier candidates are only going to run in a campaign they feel confident of winning, and they don't go out to be cannon fodder as they'll be forever maked as a "former candidate" and that can be bad.... not always... but sometimes. If someone has a better idea why all the top Republicans sat out 2008 I would love to hear it.

Unfortunately Colin Powell will not run and I don't see Jim Webb making a stab. These men I have faith in. Ron Paul also was one of my favorites.
Why do we vote the party and not the capable ? It is because as members of the noveau technological society , we have abdicated our responsibilities and accountabilities to a media that is so overstuffed with their own self importance that they rightly believe they can control our lives.
The media is so inurred with their celebrity status that they openly treat the rest of us with patronizing contempt. In the end, however, the person most responsible for this state of affairs , is that person that looks right back at you in your mirror everyday.
To answer your question...the only one that is viable is that few have the stomach for the mental beating , and I am speaking of both parties. I add also, few have the financial resources that will make them independent of their "backers". If ever we could get a leader who doesn't have to worry about taking care of special interests over the special interests of the American people, then we would move forward instead of being stuck in this perennial stalemate.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by Mateo

Ron Paul also was one of my favorites.

That's why I don't understand why Republicans crossed party lines to vote for Shrillary. I voted for Ron Paul in the primary.

I think this was a unique opportunitty to vote for a candidate I truly like. Unfortanently, the media didn't want us to hear his message. They barred him from the debates, gave him little air time on timeslots nobody was watching, and kept stating that he had a cult-like following.

Shrillary has no place to go about how the media's treating her. The media wants a Democrat to win the election and even they realize she is a hinderance. The media's very pro-Clinton, so it's something else when they want you out. The way I see it, she's only getting a little bit of what Republicans have got for the last 12 years.

Primaries, to me, are about voting for a candidate you like. The General Election is about voting for the lesser of the two evils. I'd hate to see a trainwreck, but I think it's inevitable. Might as well let it happen under the Democrat Party's rule that way we Republicans can have another Reagan Revolution.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Because America just can't get enough of the Bush administration?

Better 4 more years of Bush than 4 years of Clinton.

[huntr1]

Originally Posted by awpitt

Not so fast. I realize that it's likely that MD will go DEM but it's not a gurantee. I've posted this before but here it is again. Since the 1948 election, MD has gone for the DEM nine times and went for the GOPer six times. Not exactly a slam dunk for the DEMs.

PG and Baltimore City welfare crackheads will go D, no matter what, thus the state will go D.

[Pete (Premo)]

Originally Posted by huntr1

PG and Baltimore City welfare crackheads will go D, no matter what, thus the state will go D.

I wonder how many welfare and crack heads actually vote though? I know the dem machine up there sits up the night before making ham sandwiches to pass out when people get on the voting bus but is it that much?

[aps45819 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by awpitt

Not so fast. I realize that it's likely that MD will go DEM but it's not a gurantee. I've posted this before but here it is again. Since the 1948 election, MD has gone for the DEM nine times and went for the GOPer six times. Not exactly a slam dunk for the DEMs.

The last times MD's electoral votes went in the R column was in 1988 for Bush and in '84 for Regan. Since then it has been all Democrats. The counties with the greatest amount of entitlements, Baltimore, PG, and Montgomery are all that's required to win the state so it looks like the victims will be doing the deciding .