Have you been waiting for an "American" President?

[nhboy (Premo)]

Apparently, Americans have been waiting for an ‘American president’

"By any reasonable measure, the over-analysis and parsing of campaign ads effectively jumped the shark earlier this month, when one conservative blogger started pointing to racist messages on children’s pajamas in Hillary Clinton’s “3 a.m.” ad. I’m disinclined to follow in the same direction.

That said, John McCain’s campaign released its very first general-election ad this morning, and there are a few elements that stood out, even for those of us who aren’t paranoid."

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com...ves/15042.html

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

...has opened himself up to more questions than this add answers, so, it's a bad add. I mean, what is an American and what is an American president? The last way I'd answer that question is by dragging Vietnam into the conversation. Vietnam will forever be a divisive event to Americans.

Some Americans think it was a good war. Some think a terrible war. Some think the idea was good, but the execution not so much. Some think it was a terrible idea that served a terrible purpose of simply feeding the newly coined military industrial complex. In any analysis it was a profoundly divisive time in American history.

On top of that, for McCain to invoke a plea to 'stick together, to never yield, to never quit' in context of Vietnam is absurd as that is exactly opposite of what Americans did; We did not stick together, we did yield, we did quit. We lost. We left behind, unaccounted for, some 2,500 of McCain's comrades in arms and their '#'.

And on top of that, McCain has fully identified himself with Iraq which, at present, is seen by some Americans as a good war, others a terrible war, some a a good idea, but the execution not so much and others think it is a terrible idea that serves a terrible purpose that has transformed from indicting the military industrial complex to the modern form of corporations in general and oil in particular.

I supported Bush 43 twice and I will always regret it because it is my view that he did not focus on being an American president; he has focused on being some sort of World President. Should I have known better? I really don't know. He ran a big state well, by most accounts, and got along with many members of the Democrat party to get things to run well.

The quintessential American President of our lifetime, Ronald Reagan ran a big state well and got along with the other guys pretty well also. That was my frame of reference. Whatever influences were involved when they both became President, George Bush has lost his people and, I think, his nation in a Johnson and Nixon esque global view that is not an American centric, America first ideology.

Ronald Reagan dealt with serious economic recession, the post Vietnam emboldened global threats of communism and a people depressed and unsure of the future by dealing with all those issues head on by focusing on the US, without ensnaring us in foreign complications and war, without focusing on the problems of other nations and without alienating and dividing us as a people. When 220 US Marines died in an instant, Reagan could have embroiled us in a war that was not our business. Instead, he swallowed our national pride and did not compound a mistake. Like him or not, he was the American president to everyone.

McCain's focus on our latest foreign entanglement mess is not a focus on America or Americans. This add does not give comfort to the idea of America unless you liked Vietnam and Iraq and wish we would have become embroiled in Lebanon.

Bad add in my view.

[ImnoMensa]

I also voted for Bush 43 twice. I regret many things he has done. You have stated a few of them Larry,but given those same choices at the time I would still have voted for him against Gore or John Kerry, because at the time he was the best choice.

We now face a choice of voting for Mccain who is a bad candidate ,IMO ,and Obama or Hillary who are even worse candidates. It isnt going to be easy to go to the polls this year and vote Mccain, but there is no friggin way I can go there and vote for the two Socialists he is running against. Having voted in elections for 40 years this is one I wish I could stay home for.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

I also voted for Bush 43 twice. I regret many things he has done. You have stated a few of them Larry,but given those same choices at the time I would still have voted for him against Gore or John Kerry, because at the time he was the best choice.

...but what I wish I had done was raise hell at the time. Write my congressman. Bush let this thing unravel over time. The White house seemed to stand in quicksand as Iraq and Afghanistan unraveled, in slow motion, over the last 6 years.

I hate it when the other side cheer leads. That's what I am guilty of. That's what a GOP dominated congress did.

[RadioPatrol]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...but what I wish I had done was raise hell at the time. Write my congressman. Bush let this thing unravel over time. The White house seemed to stand in quicksand as Iraq and Afghanistan unraveled, in slow motion, over the last 6 years.

I hate it when the other side cheer leads. That's what I am guilty of. That's what a GOP dominated congress did.

Sad Ain't IT ............

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

Sad Ain't IT ............

...this is why we're supposed to have principles, something to hold to when the pressure is on. That's a tough thing to do and that was one of the great things about Reagan. Maybe a byproduct of being older and wiser when he took office? I wish I felt that way about McCain.

[RadioPatrol]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...this is why we're supposed to have principles, something to hold to when the pressure is on. That's a tough thing to do and that was one of the great things about Reagan. Maybe a byproduct of being older and wiser when he took office? I wish I felt that way about McCain.

Older Principled Generation .....


.... I do not expect this current bunch and any coming down the pike anytime soon, to have the MORALS do be for anyone but ME ............

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

Older Principled Generation .....


.... I do not expect this current bunch and any coming down the pike anytime soon, to have the MORALS do be for anyone but ME ............

...that is the proper mindset to have; lowered expectations. A President can never address a decent fraction of what he/she promises during the campaign. I'd be happy if they just get the few big ones they'll face right.

[RadioPatrol]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...that is the proper mindset to have; lowered expectations. A President can never address a decent fraction of what he/she promises during the campaign. I'd be happy if they just get the few big ones they'll face right.

Steady Slid down Hill with a Growing Lack of MORALS and Accountability ..... since the 60's ........


.... Me First, Now and Always ...... if you get some along the way ok fine ....

Do what feels good ....

.... if your wife won't give it how you want it, hire Ashley Dupree - Girls Gone Wild Star ..... and Hooker - hey she is getting paid too ..... It's only a little reefer, a little coke .....

[forestal]

Yeh, but McCain is not a natural born president. He wasn't born in the United States.

The Constitution specifies that the president can only be someone who's a natural born citizen, and he definitely wasn't born in the United States.

Natural-born citizen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia