Does Wright work for the Clinton's?

[dems4me (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Penn

And, that, to me - is the crux of it. He is, in fact, "playing his followers like a well tuned fiddle".

Question is: Will they wake up to the fact - what a false tune he is playing to them?

Good question, however, if these folks were to wake up I would think they would have by now. He could be accused of murder and have all the evidence in the world and dna pointing it to him and he would still spin this as the evil white man, and all their woe's are due to the white man, etc... some folks are always looking elsewhere to blame for their circumstances and he's found that group and is trying to stir up their misguided anger and give them a target. He wants folks to feed into the anger because it means $$$$ for him and what bothers me is he uses Christianity as his vehicle for doing so JMO

Originally Posted by Penn

More on the issue that Rev. Wright's accusation - that an attack on his revelations, concerning the actions of this current adminstration's policies, or the policies of this country - is an attack on the black churches of this country - is entirely bullsh!t:

Of course it's a BS, but it sells! It's the "we finance everyone!" of politics.

I used to think that Democrats were the sole occupants of Delusionalville, but I see they have plenty of neighbors. I see a lot of folks seriously misreading the tea leaves here and, or wantingly turning a blind eye to what's going on. I think folks need to quit speculating and look at some hard facts.

First, I keep hearing how Wright and his comments are going to hurt Obama at the polls. Really? Well the story has been out for well over a month now, and what has happened. Obama loses PA by 8.6 points... but he was down 25 points when the Wright story first broke. That means that his numbers rose 16.4+ points! At the same time, his national numbers have gone up 8 points. The only place that the Wright story is having a negative impact on Obama is in the minds of Republicans.

Second, in addition to driving up Obama's numbers, the manipulation of this story into being about attcks on black churches, BS it is, is going to give Obama and other Democrat candidates ammunition to throw at Republicans this Fall.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

If the ice cream lobby paid them to promote ice cream for breakfast, the very last thing that person would want is for it to work. Because then everyone's having ice cream for breakfast and their job is finito. That's what happens when you have one thing you do, and one thing only.

The ice cream lobbyist is going to go promote something else. What are Wright, Sharpton and Jackson going to do? What will the NAACP do? They don't have anything else that will keep them in the style to which they've become accustomed.

The one thing they have going for them is victimology. As long as there is one white racist in this country and one poor black person, they will have an audience who believes what they say. As long as one black person gets crappy service at the Denny's, the race baiters will have a job.

I was thinking about what you said last night. I think you were right on about this. Roy Innis was on FNC this morning and he basically said this, too! I'm paraphrasing, but he said that the timing of this is really curious - and why would Wright do something like this to Obama, etc. And he also said that if Obama DOES get the nomination - then it proves there are political civil rights equality in the country & that things are moving forward. This would deflate a lot of the civil activists of the past.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I used to think that Democrats were the sole occupants of Delusionalville, but I see they have plenty of neighbors. I see a lot of folks seriously misreading the tea leaves here and, or wantingly turning a blind eye to what's going on. I think folks need to quit speculating and look at some hard facts.

First, I keep hearing how Wright and his comments are going to hurt Obama at the polls. Really? Well the story has been out for well over a month now, and what has happened. Obama loses PA by 8.6 points... but he was down 25 points when the Wright story first broke. That means that his numbers rose 16.4+ points! At the same time, his national numbers have gone up 8 points. The only place that the Wright story is having a negative impact on Obama is in the minds of Republicans.

Second, in addition to driving up Obama's numbers, the manipulation of this story into being about attcks on black churches, BS it is, is going to give Obama and other Democrat candidates ammunition to throw at Republicans this Fall.

There are many MANY black leaders who (may or may not be Republicans) are speaking out AGAINST this as well. They are saying it's hurting Obama, THEY are saying he should have come out sooner and more forcefully against this (if he was/is against this) and THEY are the ones saying this is setting race relations backwards - not forward. I happen to think Vrai is 100% correct and it makes so much more sense NOW. If the Wrights, Sharptons, Farrakhans, Jacksons & other race baiters in this country had their druthers - they'd be able to keep playing the race card. It's been their life-long livelihood. They have nothing else without it.

Republicans didn't create this. The Democrats are infighting. This is very much a civil war in the democratic party which is why we are seeing so much turmoil in their primaries this time around. I think it's a civil war amongst the old democrats and the new and perhaps even between the older & younger generations in the black community.

And yet you are the only one reading the tea leaves correctly.

[Penn]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I used to think that Democrats were the sole occupants of Delusionalville, but I see they have plenty of neighbors. I see a lot of folks seriously misreading the tea leaves here and, or wantingly turning a blind eye to what's going on. I think folks need to quit speculating and look at some hard facts.

First, I keep hearing how Wright and his comments are going to hurt Obama at the polls. Really? Well the story has been out for well over a month now, and what has happened. Obama loses PA by 8.6 points... but he was down 25 points when the Wright story first broke. That means that his numbers rose 16.4+ points! At the same time, his national numbers have gone up 8 points. The only place that the Wright story is having a negative impact on Obama is in the minds of Republicans.

Second, in addition to driving up Obama's numbers, the manipulation of this story into being about attcks on black churches, BS it is, is going to give Obama and other Democrat candidates ammunition to throw at Republicans this Fall.

Good points made.

However, one thing I'm not getting: the last time I looked, the mainstream-media was strongly driven by the left - liberals, if you will, and just about every news channel out there is covering this story.

In other words, if the MSM is not conservatively driven, how can the Dems "consider it ammunition to throw at the Republicans", if THEY are the ones driving this story?

Originally Posted by Penn

In other words, if the MSM is not conservatively driven, how can the Dems "consider it ammunition to throw at the Republicans", if THEY are the ones driving this story?

Your answer can be found in looking at the story lines as they develop. I was expecting a little bit of time to pass before the "Are attacks on Wright really attacks on Black churches?" became the prime talking point, but I was watching RedEye on FNC this morning, and the lead question was "Are attacks on Wright really attacks on Black churches?" And I just heard the same question asked on Fox & Friends this morning.

Look at the benefits of this story. First, Obama hasn't said poop... Wright has. That's an incontrovertible fact that many have yet to figure out yet. So, since Obama is not guilty of making these remarks, what case can be made against him? Well, he should have left his church! He should have forsaken his minister! He should damn Wright and not forgive him! See a trend here? Whatever happened to forgiveness? Acceptance? You can bet Liberals and the MSM are gearing up the hypocrite brushes.

And the best part of all this is Obama doesn't have to do anything but disavow Wright's remarks and let Republicans send themselves up the river with their attacks. The more Wright goes out and acts crazy, the more spun up Republicans get and the more they attack, and the stronger the Republican attacks get, the more and more Liberals respond to counterattack, and their MSM covers everything from the Liberal perspective. Talk about a win-win for Democrats.

Also, think about the utter lack of loyalty that Hillary has shown to anyone who doesn't measure up to her demands. She has had no problem tossing longtime friends under the bus just to avoid any embarassment or controversy. Compare that to Obama who has publically disavowed Wright's comments but it standing by his right to say them. Which approach do you think sells better to the Democrat and undecided voters? How many undecided voters are watching this and saying "I wouldn't want anyone telling me what church I should go to, and who the Hell are the Republicans to say whether a minister is any good or not? Forget them, I don't need people who want to tell me what church I should be going to leading this country!"

[GSXR_MOE]

Well I'm a big time Obama supporter, and I am truly disappointed that he didn't step away from Rev. Wright a long time ago. I understand being loyal to a lifelong friend, but he had to know Rev. Wright could only hurt his chances of becoming President.

Me personally, I have no problem with the comments that Rev. Wright made. Do I agree with most of them?? No. Do I understand where he is coming from, Yes.

But to be totally honest with you, I wish Rev. Wright would just sit down and be quiet. If he truly cares about Barack Obama, then he has to know that him speaking out yesterday did nothing but hurt Obama......

[GSXR_MOE]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Your answer can be found in looking at the story lines as they develop. I was expecting a little bit of time to pass before the "Are attacks on Wright really attacks on Black churches?" became the prime talking point, but I was watching RedEye on FNC this morning, and the lead question was "Are attacks on Wright really attacks on Black churches?" And I just heard the same question asked on Fox & Friends this morning.

Look at the benefits of this story. First, Obama hasn't said poop... Wright has. That's an incontrovertible fact that many have yet to figure out yet. So, since Obama is not guilty of making these remarks, what case can be made against him? Well, he should have left his church! He should have forsaken his minister! He should damn Wright and not forgive him! See a trend here? Whatever happened to forgiveness? Acceptance? You can bet Liberals and the MSM are gearing up the hypocrite brushes.

And the best part of all this is Obama doesn't have to do anything but disavow Wright's remarks and let Republicans send themselves up the river with their attacks. The more Wright goes out and acts crazy, the more spun up Republicans get and the more they attack, and the stronger the Republican attacks get, the more and more Liberals respond to counterattack, and their MSM covers everything from the Liberal perspective. Talk about a win-win for Democrats.

Also, think about the utter lack of loyalty that Hillary has shown to anyone who doesn't measure up to her demands. She has had no problem tossing longtime friends under the bus just to avoid any embarassment or controversy. Compare that to Obama who has publically disavowed Wright's comments but it standing by his right to say them. Which approach do you think sells better to the Democrat and undecided voters? How many undecided voters are watching this and saying "I wouldn't want anyone telling me what church I should go to, and who the Hell are the Republicans to say whether a minister is any good or not? Forget them, I don't need people who want to tell me what church I should be going to leading this country!"

I hope nobody is buying into the whole "attack on black church" thing. That is just the media trying to sell a story.. And it's working....

So let me ask you guys, do you really think Obama believes the same things that Rev. Wright says?? Can you guys understand how you can love and care for someone and not share the same political views???

[aps45819 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by GSXR_MOE

I hope nobody is buying into the whole "attack on black church" thing. That is just the media trying to sell a story.. And it's working....

So let me ask you guys, do you really think Obama believes the same things that Rev. Wright says?? Can you guys understand how you can love and care for someone and not share the same political views???

The whole "attack on black church" thing are Wright's words and no I don't understand how someone can be your spiritual mentor for 20 years if you disagree with their views on life in this country.


FYI: Hilary has had the nomination since day one, the super delegates are committed to her. The whole nominating/voting process is just smoke and mirrors for the "Guns and God" sheeple democrats. Dean wants one of the nominees to drop out and Wright's been given air time because it's time for Obama to step down and quit wasting money.