To all the Democrats out there

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Good question. But I do know that if Dean says the candidate with the most elected delegates wins, and Obama has the most, there's no way the SDs are going to take the nomination away from Obama.

See, that's where we disagree.

I think Hillary has a few tricks up her sleeves. Yeah, they can meet and June and tell the SDs to go for Obama. But, it's a guarantee that Hillary fights all the way to Denver.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Not a chance. Dean has already said that whoever has the most delegates wins, so Hillary is already done. Unless Obama falls over dead, the nomination is his.

I disagree. After listening to Dean, I believe they've already picked their nominee, and it ain't Obama.

Once the primaries are done, they are going to do a headcount of Super Delegates, and when it comes back a Hillary victory they are going to ask Obama to step down.

They are already chiming in with. "Hillary is winning the popular vote, she SHOULD be the nominee" Of course they can only say this when they count FL and MI (and Obama wasn't even on the ballot in MI).

I honestly believe they are ensuring a Republican victory in November, but they don't seem to care. The democrats are going to shoot themselves in the foot to make sure Hillary gets the nomination even if it costs them the White House.

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

See, that's where we disagree.

I think Hillary has a few tricks up her sleeves. Yeah, they can meet and June and tell the SDs to go for Obama. But, it's a guarantee that Hillary fights all the way to Denver.

Geeze... how many times do I have to say this??? I agree!!! Hillary will fight through to the end. She has no choice. If she quits, it's all over for her. But that doesn't mean she's going to win.

Originally Posted by itsbob

I disagree. After listening to Dean, I believe they've already picked their nominee, and it ain't Obama.

Once the primaries are done, they are going to do a headcount of Super Delegates, and when it comes back a Hillary victory they are going to ask Obama to step down.

They are already chiming in with. "Hillary is winning the popular vote, she SHOULD be the nominee" Of course they can only say this when they count FL and MI (and Obama wasn't even on the ballot in MI).

I honestly believe they are ensuring a Republican victory in November, but they don't seem to care. The democrats are going to shoot themselves in the foot to make sure Hillary gets the nomination even if it costs them the White House.

Even if Hillary beats the odds and wins every remaining primary by 10 points, she still needs about 75% of the undecided SDs to get the nomination. 75%... think about that. In a situation where Obama and Clinton split the remaining delegates, which is what's going to happen, Obama needs only about 30% of the uncommited SDs. Also, SDs who have declared are going 80% Obama and 20% Clinton. Seems to me that they have already picked their nominee and it is Obama.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

...so much fun.

Obama can not win in November. Doubts about him have blossomed into full blown "He's a leftist" reality. He can't win. Not against McCain, not against a ham sammitch.

Hillary, obviously, can beat McCain and should get the nomination because Obama can not win, but, for the STD's to actually select her instead of selecting Obama, they face the threat of an open revolt by kids and elites.

It is fascinating to watch anyone argue that Obama and his wife and there garage full of leftist baggage have a snowballs chance in hell of being elected President of the United States of America.

How would you like to be Dean? There sits Florida and Michigan which make this thing a dead heat along with the power of the Florida debacle central to Democratic mindsets. You can NOT just keep sweeping those two states, especially Florida, under the rug.

And there sits the icons of the Democratic party, the Clinton's, and all their power and influence.

And here sits this neophyte leftist whose efforts have done nothing but leak bad news about him for the last two months.

And some people want to totally ignore the fact the Hillary has come alive. She is not going through the motions to position herself somehow. She is not giving her supporters a show. She is scope locked on winning.

So, how to get out of this mess? The dual ticket. The ONLY way this gets resolved peacefully is if he is willing to be second fiddle. No effing way she'd take second prize. Not now. Not ever.

So, at what point will Barrack be persuaded to accept Veep? Or will this thing just spiral into total chaos? Or, will Hillary actually step aside?
Will Obama step aside?

The only way to calm this down is if there is no loser on the Dem side. This is the party of participation trophy's and no score kiddie soccer.

On top of all of that Obama made the incredible statement that Indiana will be the deciding factor!

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by itsbob

I disagree. After listening to Dean, I believe they've already picked their nominee, and it ain't Obama.

Once the primaries are done, they are going to do a headcount of Super Delegates, and when it comes back a Hillary victory they are going to ask Obama to step down.

They are already chiming in with. "Hillary is winning the popular vote, she SHOULD be the nominee" Of course they can only say this when they count FL and MI (and Obama wasn't even on the ballot in MI).

I honestly believe they are ensuring a Republican victory in November, but they don't seem to care. The democrats are going to shoot themselves in the foot to make sure Hillary gets the nomination even if it costs them the White House.

The problem is McCain is too much like Bush.

People hate Hillary, but I guarantee you people hate Bush a hell of a lot more. There's several issues where McCain breaks with Bush.

But on the big issues, which are going to be the economy, Iraq, and National Security, McCain 2008 sounds like Bush 2004.

People are going to have to decide. The media WILL paint McCain as Bush 44.

The way America will hear it, you either have:

• 4 more years of Bush policies that have driven us into a 5+ year pointless war, a deficit and an economy on the brink of recession or worse.

OR.......

• 4 more years of Clinton. Government surplus, good economy, great times. (translation for higher taxes, socialized medicare, reckless spending, etc.)

No doubt about it, the media wants Hillary. They've wanted Hillary since she entered the race. Wait until September. No more Teflon John.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Larry,
The thing that the young voters like about Obama is, he represents "change."

Hell, try this during the next MSNBC Primary Night. Play the Obama drinking game. Everytime Barry says change, drink one.

Nah, bad idea, you'll be in no time.

Now, introduce those young college Republicans and Democrats to Ron Paul, who has a track record of change, and they change their minds in a flashpoint. Problem is, Ron Paul represents smaller government. Media don't want that.

U.S. News and World Report said it best. Sadly, it's the truth. More than 40% of Americans want the Government to hold their hand, feed their babies and be their friend. As long as that's the mentality, the socialists win.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

So, how to get out of this mess? The dual ticket. The ONLY way this gets resolved peacefully is if he is willing to be second fiddle. No effing way she'd take second prize. Not now. Not ever.

See, and if he's smart, he'd cut a deal with her to bow out gracefully in exchange for the VP slot. He's young and has plenty of time. Clinton/Obama would certainly be elected in 2008, then she just has to not screw up enough to win a second term. Then he's in in 2016.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

Larry,
The thing that the young voters like about Obama is, he represents "change."

...young don't have a freaking clue. He's given them a cause, a reason to party and skip class as helpers.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Even if Hillary beats the odds and wins every remaining primary by 10 points, she still needs about 75% of the undecided SDs to get the nomination. 75%... think about that. In a situation where Obama and Clinton split the remaining delegates, which is what's going to happen, Obama needs only about 30% of the uncommited SDs. Also, SDs who have declared are going 80% Obama and 20% Clinton. Seems to me that they have already picked their nominee and it is Obama.

SD's aren't commited until they place their votes. They can talk the talk, they can pander to the cameras all they want, but when the party tells them who to place their vote for, they will all fall in lockstep except for the minority of a few.