To all the Democrats out there

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Fact is the Dem party built this system to keep flashes in the pan like Barack Hussein Obama, editor Harvard Law review, rock star, from going on to lose in epic, McGovern-esque proportions in the fall.

Now, whether they choose to use their machinery or not is a fascinating question.

Now see... this is where you lose me. Why do you see Hillary as being so more electable than Obama? He has little experience, she has none. He has a past that hasn't been explored, her's has been explored and found to be littered with skeletons and scandals. He has Wright, she has Bubba. He's got slightly more votes and delegates, but she has a lot too. He's been accused of dodging the facts, she's been shown to be a liar.

So, why do you see Obama as being the flash in the pan and not Hillary... who by the way used to be the one who was referred to as a "rock star" before Obama stole her spotlight.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I think you're oversimplifying the equation. Hillary cannot win with her unfavorables. Too many people know her, and know what a scumbag she is. And her hubbie has stepped on his crank enough to remind even the die hard Clinton fans of what eight years of him trying to resurrect his legacy while First Hubbie would be like.

Obama's downfall is going to be his leftist positions... provided the Republicans ever wake up and start addressing them.

But McCain is no shoe-in either. K-5 is going to wear big on McCain and there are a LOT of Republicans who will not vote for him.

To add some complexity to your prediction, I see Hillary losing the Dem nod and running as a Third Party candidate, which will make it interesting to see how many votes she pulls from Obama. That would be the race to watch as those who are saying "I don't care who we nominate..." would have to pick sides.

I think the other thing to watch is McCain. The guy has a serious self-destruct personality, and he could easily detonate once the media turns all their guns on him... especially the media types he's seen as friends when he was their Useful Idiot.

Again, I disagree.

People are still voting for Shrillary in high numbers despite her unfavorables. I know they won't admit it, but there are sadly a lot of people who won't vote for Barack because he's part-black.

I was actually kinda waiting for Kerad and, yes I hate to call him in to here, forestool to provide us their insight since they're true Democrats.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Now see... this is where you lose me. Why do you see Hillary as being so more electable than Obama?

...negatives are old news. After awhile, no one even cares if you used to be in the Klan.

An awful lot of women, who do happen to make up 52% of the total voters, really want to see a woman win. People also like it when you've taken shot after shot after shot over time and keep on ticking.

Most of all, at the end of the day it's her against him, not against some ideal mythical candidate like he used to be. His lustre is wearing off. Her negatives are starting to look like battle scars.

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

Again, I disagree.

People are still voting for Shrillary in high numbers despite her unfavorables. I know they won't admit it, but there are sadly a lot of people who won't vote for Barack because he's part-black.

I was actually kinda waiting for Kerad and, yes I hate to call him in to here, forestool to provide us their insight since they're true Democrats.

No... Democrats are voting for her in high numbers. That's an important distinction. Whoever wins the general is going to have to pull from both parties and the moderates, and Hillary's disapproval numbers with Republicans and Independents are still about 50%.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

No... Democrats are voting for her in high numbers. That's an important distinction. Whoever wins the general is going to have to pull from both parties and the moderates, and Hillary's disapproval numbers with Republicans and Independents are still about 50%.

But, but ... Shrillary has pulled in the Reagan Democrats.

She HAS pulled in Republicans, see Operation Chaos.

The problem here is I think A LOT of Republicans are going to sit this election out and just watch the returns on FOX News. Why are we thrilled about the Democrat race? Quite honestly, because we have a boring candidate.

On a side note ... have you heard Shrillary as of late? Her rehtoric against Iran? She's starting to fly her broom back to the center again, just like she did early on. Remember when she was a hardline liberal and over 2002-2006, she started to sound more moderate. Then the election because, who's more socialist? Now, it's starting to become, who can attract the centrists?

Shrillary has an advantage here, she has a broom and can fly to the center much faster than Barry can walk out of his Rev. Wright's congregation. She's been playing the game, quite well. Just like Skerry, she rides whatever the popular wave is.

And, Obama needs to jump on this. He needs to state that over the last 8 years, she's gone from the left to the center to the right back to the left and is trying to play centrist again. He needs to get out and call her out on this.

[ImnoMensa]

Hillary will never run as a third party candidate. That is ridiculous. If she did that she could kiss her Senate seat good bye. She isnt about to commit political suicide like that.

I look for her to get a deal from Democrats to be majority whip or something like that.

Obama is now the chosen one. It is Obama, McCain has to beat.

It wil be tough looking at this worn old man debating a youthful Obama.

McCain has his work cut out for him.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

Hillary will never run as a third party candidate. That is ridiculous. If she did that she could kiss her Senate seat good bye. She isnt about to commit political suicide like that.

I look for her to get a deal from Democrats to be majority whip or something like that.

Obama is now the chosen one. It is Obama, McCain has to beat.

It wil be tough looking at this worn old man debating a youthful Obama.

McCain has his work cut out for him.

...Hillary won't run as a third party. I disagree that Obama has even a small chance against McCain.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...Hillary won't run as a third party. I disagree that Obama has even a small chance against McCain.

I see an old Reagan line thinking about them in a debate.

"I'm not going to exploit my opponents youth and inexperience..."

[Kerad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

Please, share some insight.

Is this thing over, and the media's just playing it up? Or, are our fears of a Hillary Clinton Presidency real?

You want my insight about this...again? This has been discussed several times already, and my opinion hasn't changed.

Unless Obama's campaign implodes and/or he loses all the remaining states, the nomination is his.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...negatives are old news. After awhile, no one even cares if you used to be in the Klan.

Not according to the WSJ...

Obama Heads for Superdelegate Edge - WSJ.com

Many of them see Sen. Obama as more electable than Sen. Clinton. But even those who don't have been impressed by his grass-roots organizing and fund raising and the legions of new voters he has attracted, particularly younger and African-American voters.

A Democratic strategist to congressional candidates cites Sen. Clinton's high negative ratings in opinion polls. Politicians "all think Obama will stimulate African-American turnout, and they all know there's no way she gets independents or Republicans," says the strategist, who is unaligned in the presidential race.