Good news for Dems: GOP is falling apart

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

When you all are crying about attacks on McCain about his ties to nutty ministers... when you all are crying about those horrible attacks on Cindy McCain... when McCain goes nutty during the campaign... when you all are crying about how the MSM is exposing all sorts of dirt on McCain... when you vote for The RINO even as you say "I don't like him but I'm voting for him anyway" and you get moderate judges, gun control, mandatory carbon credits, and a guest worker program if he wins... I'll be ready to come on here and say "I told you so!"

I can understand why you wouldn't like McCain. But to support someone who's even more to the left doesn't make sense.

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

For once I agree with you. The GOP is the party that desparately needs to overturn the will of the voters and install a candidate who can win.

Overturn the will of the voters?

Are you freaking insane? (That was a rhetorical question. No need to answer.)

[Bruzilla]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I can understand why you wouldn't like McCain. But to support someone who's even more to the left doesn't make sense.

You can't understand because you are too narrowly focused on the office of president. A president cannot act alone! They must work with the Congress, and that's why I support Obama. My bet is that Obama is going to be so far left that there will be no way for all those Dems who got elected from Republican districts in 2006 to support him. There's no way we get a Republican majority this year, but the Republicans and these conservative Democrats will be enough to thwart anything too liberal just as they have thwarted all the attempts to pull out of Iraq.

Now consider Liberal "Light" McCain. Sure, he won't press for sweeping new environmental regulations, gun control, or other liberal measures, but he will call for some. They'll be more towards the middle than what Obama would push for, but they'll be worse for us as the Dems we need in the Congress will be able to support them, which means they'll pass.

I know you just can't grasp the notion, but the more Obama acts like a crazy leftist the better it works for conservatives. McCain acting like a crazy centrist will doom us.

[ImnoMensa]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

No... I am standing quite comfortably in the 3' end of the pool... fully secure in the knowledge that I have maintained the highest standards of the Republican Party, have drunken no Clinton-aid, and will be able to hold my head up high in the future when all the crap that "Republicans" like you have tossed around comes back to hit you in the face.

When you all are crying about attacks on McCain about his ties to nutty ministers... when you all are crying about those horrible attacks on Cindy McCain... when McCain goes nutty during the campaign... when you all are crying about how the MSM is exposing all sorts of dirt on McCain... when you vote for The RINO even as you say "I don't like him but I'm voting for him anyway" and you get moderate judges, gun control, mandatory carbon credits, and a guest worker program if he wins... I'll be ready to come on here and say "I told you so!"

All of those things are what you are voting for Obama to get for you ,so I guess you will be happy either way.
Upheld the standards of the Republican party. Man you ARE crazy.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I can understand why you wouldn't like McCain. But to support someone who's even more to the left doesn't make sense.

...been repeated time and again; What's worse, potus McCain and the likely strengthening Democratic control of both houses or...Obama and his silence coming to an end in a likely screaming pile of socialism that jolts the nation back to the right and offers a chance for conservatism to return to the fore?
It all boils down to what is likely, what YOU think is likely, to happen under either.

I'm voting for Paul because I like the guys attitude; We can all just pretend the current political reality is all there is and there is no opportunity to straighten the nation out and just vote for McCain and hope for the best or we can work, a small step at a time, for the things we believe are proper in terms of policy and ideology and that doesn't mean settling for a candidate whose only virtue is that he is, somehow, less pregnant than the other major choice.

Bru is voting for Obama in the sincere hope that he wins and the hope that it moves we, the people, back to the right because he, and I, sure don't see McCain doing that.

There's no way in hell I could ever vote for someone whose policies are to the left of Mussolini's, like Obama has enunciated so far. So, I takes my chances with Paul because he is who I'd really like.

[Bruzilla]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

All of those things are what you are voting for Obama to get for you ,so I guess you will be happy either way.
Upheld the standards of the Republican party. Man you ARE crazy.

Why am I crazy? McCain hasn't been a fervent supporter of gun rights, repeal of Roe v. Wade, conservative judges, tax breaks, stopping illegal immigrants, etc. So why would anyone who "claims" to be a Republican ever consider voting for a guy who had frequenty gone against those principals?

Some people watch fire fighters in the middle of a raging forest fire running around with torches setting even more fires and that's just crazy to them! "Those guys are supposed to be putting fires out, not starting them!" Of course, these folks don't understand the concept of a fire break to destroy the original fire. I see this election the same way. The best chance for Republicans to survive the next four years and take power back in 2012 is to get a raging Liberal fire to burn up all their support.

And for me personally, I was against attacking any candidate based on his religion and I was opposed to attacking spouses. I was told that this was a dumb view because "they always do it to us!" Well, that's true but we significantly lowered the bar on those issues, and it's going to come back to haunt Republicans, and whn it does I'll feel good about not going off the deepend with you guys.

[AndyMarquisLIVE (Premo)]

Originally Posted by forestal

Heh, being seen with President Bush is supposed to boost your popularity?

What fking planet are you living on???

Shellshocked House Republicans got warnings from leaders past and present Tuesday: Your party’s message isn’t good enough to prevent disaster in November, and neither is the NRCC’s money.

The double shot of bad news had one veteran Republican House member worrying aloud that the party’s electoral woes — brought into sharp focus by Woody Jenkins’ loss to Don Cazayoux in Louisiana on Saturday — have the House Republican Conference splitting apart in “everybody for himself” mode.

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With internal polls from both parties showing the race as a tossup, the GOP is putting on a full-court press. The White House has dispatched Vice President Cheney to Mississippi to campaign on Davis’ behalf. And Wicker, Lott, Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour will hold events for Davis this weekend and early next week, according to GOP sources.

House Republicans will hold a rally with President Bush on Wednesday morning, with all 199 members invited to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. to show solidarity with the president, according to GOP sources.

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

For once I agree with you. The GOP is the party that desparately needs to overturn the will of the voters and install a candidate who can win.

I hate to say it, but I agree with forestool as well. Even if Shrillary gets the nomination (which is damn near impossible at this point), there's no way a Republican gets elected, especially one who contrasts himself to Mr. Bush.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

And for me personally, I was against attacking any candidate based on his religion and I was opposed to attacking spouses.

...but I've yet to hear anyone say "I don't like that Christian Barrack Obama!"

He has been called into question because HIS pastor said "Goddamn America!" and "US of KKK" and "The government created AID's to kill off the black man." The tenants of black liberation theology aren't at question here any more than Methodists or Episcopals or Southern Baptists or Judaism. The ONLY candidate who has actually had his RELIGION called into question is Mitt Romney.

And Michelle Obama brought attention on her self by saying that she is proud, for the first time in her life, of the country because her husband became a legitimate candidate for potus. That's fair game.

People get annoyed with you because you're make broad generalizations as a defense and it sounds like Obama.

"Sen. Obama, does your pastor, your pastor of 20 years, actually mean it when he says AID's was created by the government to kill blacks?"

Then, BHO goes into this pedantic obfuscation "Now, see? That's the kind of politics America is tired of. You can't get away with asking me actual questions! Do you know who I am? Have you seen my web site? The money I raise? I'm Barrack H. Obama, bytch. Get up off my back!"

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Why would I? You already proved it by posting that list of bills he got through in the US Senate. I didn't see anything on that list that looked overtly Liberal - did you? Of course, I noticed you opted to not post what bills he wrote in the Illinois Senate... but those don't count to you I suppose.

Voting record, not bills. Voting record. VOTING record

[Bruzilla]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

I hate to say it, but I agree with forestool as well. Even if Shrillary gets the nomination (which is damn near impossible at this point), there's no way a Republican gets elected, especially one who contrasts himself to Mr. Bush.

Did you mean compares himself?

The Republicans could win huge in November but not with McCain. If we were to go to the convention and say "McCain is out and put a true conservative in, we would see another Reagan landslide.