Pentagon’s Spin On GI Bill Is ‘Offensive Nonsense’

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by MMDad

That should be rehabilitation, not GI Bill. Two separate issues here.

Depends on the amount of disability.

You could be discharged from the military for medical reasons and not qualify for the rehabilitation benefits.

I never really looked into it, as I wasn't medically retired, but I think that is what I read in the outbrief paperwork.

[Bruzilla]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...both. My hope was your background and knowledge would make it a lot simpler to counter Bru's point that the army is mostly 2 year. You could find out the proper fertilizer rates for impatiens. It would just be quicker and easier to ask me.

If I was president, I would have started increasing US manpower starting 9/12/01 and doubled every ones pay, increased expectations and standards and made provisions for more room for more people for longer military careers. I also would not have anyone with a weapon who was not US military personnel.

Or you can check with the Army.
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r135_91.pdf Read the table on page 4.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Or you can check with the Army.
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r135_91.pdf Read the table on page 4.

What exaclty are you trying to point out here?

I don't see anything in those tables that have anything to do with the converstaion at hand.

[Pete (Premo)]

the Navy experimented with 2 year terms for undesignated strikers for a short time. Unless the brought it back recently it was short lived. they basically signed up and were given the crap jobs to free up people who had training.

[itsbob (Premo)]

United States Army Enlistment Bonuses

List of bonus MOS' to enlistment terms (up to 6 years). Granted it's a year old, but I doubt much has changed other than the amount of bonus $ increasing.

Check out the ONE job on this list that offeres a 2 year bonus.. the 13F.

Great job description for a Forward Observer.

[Go G-Men]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

No. The author's statement of "no one is leaving the military after two years..." is based on his personal opinion. Most Army enlistments have a two-year active duty component and most folks go to the reserves after that two years. The services usually require a 4-6 year active duty tour due to the costs and lengths of training.

Well if the Author says no one is leaving after just 2 years than why write the bill that way??? Webb is a former secretary of the navy and he knows damm well if we offer GI Bill benefits after 2 years of service than there will be plenty of takers and that will cause shortfalls in the number of people serving in all branches of service.

My opinion is Webb knew that smart legislators would object and than the DEMS could claim that those that object don't care about those who serve...

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Pete

the Navy experimented with 2 year terms for undesignated strikers for a short time. Unless the brought it back recently it was short lived. they basically signed up and were given the crap jobs to free up people who had training.

I'm not 100% sure, but I thought it was an option for hte Navy the entire time I was an Army recruiter.

I know the guest house at Portsmouth Shipyard (NH) was run by them. They did the housekeeping, manned the desk.. etc.. etc..

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Go G-Men

Well if the Author says no one is leaving after just 2 years than why write the bill that way??? Webb is a former secretary of the navy and he knows damm well if we offer GI Bill benefits after 2 years of service than there will be plenty of takers and that will cause shortfalls in the number of people serving in all branches of service.

My opinion is Webb knew that smart legislators would object and than the DEMS could claim that those that object don't care about those who serve...

But the amount of 2 year enlistments is VERY limited, and if you get out before your term of service (ie get out at 2 on a 4 year contract) you won't qualify for Ed bennies.

If they use up their quota of 2 year enlistments they aren't just going to let everyone enlist for 2 years. Most jobs don't even have a 2 year option.

I don't see an issue with the proposal.

[Go G-Men]

Originally Posted by itsbob

But the amount of 2 year enlistments is VERY limited, and if you get out before your term of service (ie get out at 2 on a 4 year contract) you won't qualify for Ed bennies.

If they use up their quota of 2 year enlistments they aren't just going to let everyone enlist for 2 years. Most jobs don't even have a 2 year option.

I don't see an issue with the proposal.

If the amount of 2 year enlistments is very limited than offer a lesser package for those serving on 2 years. In my opinion there should be no 2 years enlistments offered. Serve 4 years honorably and you get the benifits of the new GI bill.

Serve less than 4 (other than those disabled due to war injuries) and you get just the basic VA benefits.

Anyone who is disabled in a war zone should get the maximum benefits available and than some.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Or you can check with the Army.
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r135_91.pdf Read the table on page 4.

...the one that says, across the board, total commitment 8 years? That one?