Hey Bruzilla!

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Well, then McCain is doing better than Obama, who only has about 50% support from Democrat voters.

Silly girl! I knew you were going to jump right on in there with that! Tell me... which is better? 50% of 34,906,701 or 70% of 18,766,292?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Why are you making this about McCain's wife? Why can't you just stick with the issues instead of attacking the candidate's spouse? Is SHE running for president?

...not saying that or doing that. Don't you see, he is merely telling us the way it is. It's not like it's his opinion or anything that requires much more of a response from us than a simple 'ohhhhhhh'.

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Why are you making this about McCain's wife? Why can't you just stick with the issues instead of attacking the candidate's spouse? Is SHE running for president?

Well.. with attacks on Michele Obama becoming more of an issue... yes... the spouse is going to be considered as "running for president."

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Silly girl! I knew you were going to jump right on in there with that! Tell me... which is better? 50% of 34,906,701 or 70% of 18,766,292?

...me if I am wrong, oh great one, but what could would 100% of the Democratic primary vote do McCain? You're pedantic blathering about every little thing is actually making me feel sympathetic towards him. What next? His dog bites him?

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...maybe you're right? Maybe there is no point it tying to talk TO you. Maybe, from now on, I'll just address everything I say to the world at large. I'll quit pretending I am addressing your thoughts and ideas and just assume everything you say is the 'World' position and accept it as established fact and not mere opinion.

Image the carpel tunnel I'll save if you just tell me what to think and I don't wonder why.

I'm getting all the snittiness from you. I have made my beliefs and intentions perfectly clear: I am voting for Obama as I refuse to vote for McCain and I feel that Obama will be so Leftist that the Congress won't be able to support him. Plain and simple. I don't care if Wright or Hagee is the anti-christ, and I don't care if Cindy McCain or Michelle Obama are bigger political hags than Hillary.

In previous elections I used to sit there and listen to Hannity, Limbaugh, and others, a drink up all the negative news about any candidate I didn't like and never ask how valid it was. This election, since I'm casting a highly negative vote and understand that Obama is just the best of the worst, I am taking a more open-minded view of the election process. This has been a real eye opener for me. I'm seeing more and more Republicans acting like the Democrats they hate... I'm seeing gallons of kool-aid being drunk by Republicans who go from saying what a scumbag McCain is to supporting him just because he's the nominee... something we used to attribute to "Yellow Dog" Democrats, etc.

So when I say what I think doesn't matter, by that I mean I am not using any of the stories, issues, or other media hype to form my own opinion or make my own decision. That's already done. What I'm talking about now is how these things are effecting the electorate as a whole. If you want to talk about how you feel about things, that's fine. If you think Wright is a racist pig, that's fine... but you thinking that way isn't going to have an impact on the election. Neither will my thinking that Wright is a racist pig. What is going to make a difference, and that I have been saying all along, is that there are a whole lot of people who don't think the guy is a racist pig, and who actually agree with his comments, and that is going to impact the election.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...me if I am wrong, oh great one, but what could would 100% of the Democratic primary vote do McCain? You're pedantic blathering about every little thing is actually making me feel sympathetic towards him. What next? His dog bites him?

My point is simply this: So far, Obama has had close to 17,453,350 people vote for him. McCain has had 13,136,404. That's a skosh over four million more people coming out to vote for him. So, if you are looking at support, which is better? 50% of 34,906,701 or 70% of 18,766,292?

Vrai tried to make the case that having 70% of something is better than having 50%, which is true if all things are equal, but not when one party is pulling in votes 2:1.

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

My point is simply this: So far, Obama has had close to 17,453,350 people vote for him. McCain has had 13,136,404. That's a skosh over four million more people coming out to vote for him. So, if you are looking at support, which is better? 50% of 34,906,701 or 70% of 18,766,292?

Vrai tried to make the case that having 70% of something is better than having 50%, which is true if all things are equal, but not when one party is pulling in votes 2:1.

Damn, you are obtuse. Which party is still actively campaigning in the primaries? Which one isn't?

Example: McCain was the nominee by the time of the MD primary. I stayed home. I will not stay home when it's time to vote against Obama.

That is why your fixation on the numbers is irrelevant. You are ignoring a huge factor.

Originally Posted by MMDad

Damn, you are obtuse. Which party is still actively campaigning in the primaries? Which one isn't?

Example: McCain was the nominee by the time of the MD primary. I stayed home. I will not stay home when it's time to vote against Obama.

That is why your fixation on the numbers is irrelevant. You are ignoring a huge factor.

The numbers are what they are. Do you really think there are 20 million or so Republicans who just said the heck with the primaries and are chomping at the bit to race out to the general election? I doubt it.

It's great to sit there and speculate about coulda/woulda/shouldas, but those don't get anyone elected. What is known is over 34,000,000 voters felt compelled to go out and vote on the Dem side, while half that number felt compelled on the Republican side. Could lots of Republicans come out in November? Maybe... maybe not. Could lots more Democrats and Indies come out in November? Maybe... maybe not. As for me, I would gladly take the support of 50% of 34 million people over 70% of 18 million... but then again I'm all whacked right?

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by MMDad

Damn, you are obtuse. Which party is still actively campaigning in the primaries? Which one isn't?

Example: McCain was the nominee by the time of the MD primary. I stayed home. I will not stay home when it's time to vote against Obama.

That is why your fixation on the numbers is irrelevant. You are ignoring a huge factor.

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

The numbers are what they are. Do you really think there are 20 million or so Republicans who just said the heck with the primaries and are chomping at the bit to race out to the general election? (Yes. -Andy) I doubt it.

There's no point in voting for a primary if it's well past over and the party already knows who it's presumptive nominee is.

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

There's no point in voting for a primary if it's well past over and the party already knows who it's presumptive nominee is.

On a logical level you would think that, but on an empirical level you're wrong. Go back and check the vote totals state by state for 2000, 2004, and 2008. 2000 was a toss-up for a long time, but in 2004 Bush ran unopposed... yet the voter turnout numbers were just about the same in the primaries.

Granted, the fact that there is a lot of media attention being paid to states that no one cared about before, and that the race is still "officially" undecided, is driving up the vote totals, but there's no reason to believe that most of these folks are going to lose interest by Nov. My gut feeling is that a lot more Republicans are going to sit out the election than Democrats.