Hey Bruzilla!

[vraiblonde]

Not only has McCain REJECTED Hagee's endorsement, but Hagee has now actually WITHDRAWN his endorsement.



McCain thoroughly rejected Hagee and his remarks. Bet 'Bama wishes he'd have done that.

I heard about that on FNC tonight, and there's no surprise there. I also heard a lot of discussion from Dems on CNN about how even this reversal of endorsements is not enough to seperate Hagee and McCain since McCain actively sought out Hagee's support, which is just what I figured the Dems would say. I also heard Parsley's name getting tossed about for the first time, and there McCain has a tougher nut to crack because McCain has attended his services and called him his spiritual leader so some similar name.

Sad to say it, but anyone who thinks that just saying "I no longer support Reverend Wierdo" is going to be enough to placate the Dem attack machine is sadly mistaken. Hagee, Parlsey, and others are going to be an albatross around McCain's neck all the way to the election. The Republicans have made too much hay with the Wright story, as always they overplayed their hand, and now they're going to get tarred with the same brush.

I think it's funny how you (apparently) and Hannity and others feel like McCain is just going to be able to shove all this under the rug.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I I also heard a lot of discussion from Dems on CNN about how even this reversal of endorsements is not enough to seperate Hagee and McCain since McCain actively sought out Hagee's support, which is just what I figured the Dems would say.

...at least had the integrity to point out what utter bull#### this is; a total mischaracterization of Hagee's words and position. They even pointed out how staunch an ally of Israel he is and the millions he has raised for Israel and his long term speaking out against the holocaust. This man, like him or not, is in no way an anti Semite nor anti American.


Oh. And he has also not said 'Goddamn America'. Or referred to us a Klan nation.


I don't support McCain. I also don't support complete horse-crap regardless of who it is directed against.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I think it's funny how you (apparently) and Hannity and others feel like McCain is just going to be able to shove all this under the rug.

"All this"? What's "all this"?

Sad to say it, but anyone who thinks that just saying "I no longer support Reverend Wierdo" is going to be enough to placate the Dem attack machine is sadly mistaken. Hagee, Parlsey, and others are going to be an albatross around McCain's neck all the way to the election. The Republicans have made too much hay with the Wright story, as always they overplayed their hand, and now they're going to get tarred with the same brush.

This is a no-win for Republicans, as far as the press goes. Had they not said a word about Rev. Wright when the CLINTON people were peddling the story, Hagee and Parsley would still be news. Then the Republicans would say, "Well, what about Rev. Wright?" and the media would jump all over McCain for trying to deflect.

I think they can't hammer Wright home enough, and I think whenever 'Bama or Michelle says something stupid, it should be blasted all over the place as often as possible. These people can't just get away with smear tactics and sweep all their little indiscretions under the rug. Enough is enough and it's about time someone shines a light on them.

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I think they can't hammer Wright home enough, and I think whenever 'Bama or Michelle says something stupid, it should be blasted all over the place as often as possible. These people can't just get away with smear tactics and sweep all their little indiscretions under the rug. Enough is enough and it's about time someone shines a light on them.

Yesterday:

Obama: "McCain hates veterans"

McCain: "Obama didn't serve, so his opinion is worthless."

Biden: "McCain made an Ad Hominen attack!"

Apparently, Obama can say whatever he wants to, but if McCain responds it's an attack.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by MMDad

Yesterday:

Obama: "McCain hates veterans"

McCain: "Obama didn't serve, so his opinion is worthless."

Biden: "McCain made an Ad Hominen attack!"

Apparently, Obama can say whatever he wants to, but if McCain responds it's an attack.

And that's exactly how that works. So it's annoying to see people like Bruzilla calling for Republicans to censor themselves and never comment on the less than savory comments and actions of their opponent.

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

"All this"? What's "all this"?


This is a no-win for Republicans, as far as the press goes. Had they not said a word about Rev. Wright when the CLINTON people were peddling the story, Hagee and Parsley would still be news. Then the Republicans would say, "Well, what about Rev. Wright?" and the media would jump all over McCain for trying to deflect.

I think they can't hammer Wright home enough, and I think whenever 'Bama or Michelle says something stupid, it should be blasted all over the place as often as possible. These people can't just get away with smear tactics and sweep all their little indiscretions under the rug. Enough is enough and it's about time someone shines a light on them.

Sorry to break it to you, but the CLINTON people weren't the ones peddling the Wright story. Sean Hannity broke the story and kept it front and center on his shows for months before the national media caught on. The CLINTON people were smart enough to know this was going to be a loser issue and stayed out of it for the most part. They would "comment" on it when asked, but mainly the comments were "I'm not going to say what Obama should have done" type stuff. It was Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh. and a host of other talk show pundits who got the Wright story going. To this day, Hannity can't get through a show without finding some way to bring up Wright!

I also disagree with your assessment of the Hagee/Parsley coverage. When have low-level folks like these guys ever been in the sites of the politicians? Never. As I have said time and time again... the seemingly unspoken rule was that you could go after national religious figures like Falwell, Jackson, Robertson, Sharpton, Farrakhan, etc., but the low-level guys and personal ministers were off limits. The Republicans pooched that deal when they not only attacked Wright, but just kept going and going and going with the story, which ensured the Dems were going to have to go start looking at loony ministers associated with Republicans in order to defer attention from Obama. What was really short-sighted is that Republicans are hooked up with a ton more loony religious types than Democrats are, so this is going to be a real winner for Democrats.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...at least had the integrity to point out what utter bull#### this is; a total mischaracterization of Hagee's words and position. They even pointed out how staunch an ally of Israel he is and the millions he has raised for Israel and his long term speaking out against the holocaust. This man, like him or not, is in no way an anti Semite nor anti American.


Oh. And he has also not said 'Goddamn America'. Or referred to us a Klan nation.


I don't support McCain. I also don't support complete horse-crap regardless of who it is directed against.

The original Hagee comments being focused on were his anti-Catholic rants. Now the Dems have turned up comments he made about Hitler being placed on this Earth to get the Jews out of Europe. That's the allegation, and I must admit that I didn't hear how these words were a mischaracterization of Hagee's support for the Jews. What did they say on CNN?

I'm glad that you don't support complete horsecrap, but the sad fact is that there are millions of people who do, and as long as there are... it's going to keep getting shovelled all over us. My point all along has been all the crap that's been getting shovelled about Wright was going to get shovelled right back onto McCain, and that's what's happening.

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

And that's exactly how that works. So it's annoying to see people like Bruzilla calling for Republicans to censor themselves and never comment on the less than savory comments and actions of their opponent.

As usual... you completely miss my point. To make things easier for you to understand, think of the old adage "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Republicans don't always do what's right, aren't squeaky clean, and have to use some judgement in what they say and do. Take for example spending. After Bush, it would be foolish for Republicans to try to claim the mantle of the reduced spending party. If they tried to make that the key issue, the Dems would beat them in the face with all their spending increases. So it's okay to attack and comment on the actions of the opponent, but it's damn foolish to attack and comment on areas where you are as bad or worse.

This goes to the Wright issue. If you attack Wright, the Democrats aren't going to sit back and wring their hands in worry. They are going to attack back, and Republicans are connected to a bunch of loony religious types. Sure, Republicans can make those comments, but is it a smart thing to do? Hell no! Same deal with Michelle Obama. If Republicans try to make her comments and character an issue, the Democrats are going to come right back with exposes' on Cindy McCain and she's done things that are a lot worse than what Michele Obama has done.

What I am not getting is how Republicans can be running against a guy who is 180 out from them on the issues, and yet they try to make issues where they are total losers on like associations with nutty ministers or the conduct of spouses? Republicans should be on the TV every single day pointing out how Obama is going to raise taxes, hand Iraq to al-Qaeda, put America at risk, force Americans to give up their cars, take away our guns, etc. Republicans haven't had such a wealth of issues to attack on since McGovern, and what are they doing? They're attacking on issues where Republicans are weaker than Democrats! That's just retarded.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

The original Hagee comments being focused on were his anti-Catholic rants. Now the Dems have turned up comments he made about Hitler being placed on this Earth to get the Jews out of Europe. That's the allegation, and I must admit that I didn't hear how these words were a mischaracterization of Hagee's support for the Jews. What did they say on CNN?

I'm glad that you don't support complete horsecrap, but the sad fact is that there are millions of people who do, and as long as there are... it's going to keep getting shovelled all over us. My point all along has been all the crap that's been getting shovelled about Wright was going to get shovelled right back onto McCain, and that's what's happening.

...and McCain are in trouble with Catholics and that is why McCain distanced himself. No crazy uncle stories, no trotting out grandma's passive racism, no 'I wasn't there that day'. Just a denouncement and a rejection of the endorsement. When you hear the details of his Hitler remarks you'll see there are no legs to that story.

Would you rather have an associate who insulted an entire religion or 'just' the whole nation?