Obama Memorial Day Speech

[Dougstermd (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

How do you know that's not the case?

At this point, they'd have been there for almost 40 years. What purpose would it serve for for those countries to hold a prisoner that long?

Well that depends on your definition of a POW??? we have three civilians being held in columbia by Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. they have been there 5 years I believe.


How is OBAMA HAMMA gona negotiate with the RAFC

[Lenny]

Barry's promise is nothing more than a repeat of the Clintons' Pander Bear act in '92.

[ImnoMensa]

Obama makes a pledge to bring home all POW/MIA's ,and just how does he intend to do that? By talking? And what does he intend to do if Al Qaeda or whoever has these POW/MIA's tells him to go #### in his hat. Will he whine? Will he moan? Its plain he wont send any troops after them. We won't be there to search for their bodies. Does he really believe that terrorists will just pack them up and send them home after we leave. What happens if they send the bodies home minus their heads? What does Obama do then?

Obama doesnt know #### from Shinola and every time he opens his piehole he proves it.

[Bann (Premo)]

How's about the "embellished" story about the uncle who helped liberate Jewish people from Auschwitz? (And his college edumacated self said "I had 'a' uncle...")

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I don't know - why? Maybe he's a Russian spy and is trying to cover his bosses so he doesn't end up in the gulag?

Well, of course! That's it!

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Lenny

Barry's promise is nothing more than a repeat of the Clintons' Pander Bear act in '92.

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

Obama doesnt know #### from Shinola and every time he opens his piehole he proves it.

[Mateo]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I don't know - why? Maybe he's a Russian spy and is trying to cover his bosses so he doesn't end up in the gulag?


But that wouldn't do the Soviets any good now - anything a 70s era POW would know about US weapons would be obsolete at this point, wouldn't it?


It's highly doubtful that after almost 40 years there would be any remains to return. Not to put too fine a point on it, but we've seen mass graves in Iraq and Cambodia.

I'm not trying to be unsympathetic to families of MIA/POW, but at what point do you call it a day? I think we can safely say that these men are dead, after all this time. So what does Barack Obama propose to do about them? Bomb the Commies until they fess up? Would a left-liberal really do that?

Not to mention the NKVD massacre of the Polish Officer Corps in Katyn Forest.
So why would the Reds concern themselves with a "few" Americans ?

[ImnoMensa]

Originally Posted by Bann

How's about the "embellished" story about the uncle who helped liberate Jewish people from Auschwitz? (And his college edumacated self said "I had 'a' uncle...")

From what I understand the story about his Uncle is a true story.

His Uncle was present when the camp at Buchenwald was liberated.

However B-rock got the camps mixed up and claimed he was present at Auschwitz. Too bad he didnt listen a little more carefully when his Uncle told the story. We dont hear much about Obama's white relatives and when we do he gets his story mixed up. I wonder how often he speaks to this Uncle.

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I don't know - why? Maybe he's a Russian spy and is trying to cover his bosses so he doesn't end up in the gulag?


But that wouldn't do the Soviets any good now - anything a 70s era POW would know about US weapons would be obsolete at this point, wouldn't it?


It's highly doubtful that after almost 40 years there would be any remains to return. Not to put too fine a point on it, but we've seen mass graves in Iraq and Cambodia.

I'm not trying to be unsympathetic to families of MIA/POW, but at what point do you call it a day? I think we can safely say that these men are dead, after all this time. So what does Barack Obama propose to do about them? Bomb the Commies until they fess up? Would a left-liberal really do that?

I doubt McCain is a Russian spy. I have heard lots of loony Manchurian Candidate theories about McCain going back to 2000, and I think they are pretty stupid. But, the truth is McCain has done four things since coming back as a POW: he put a lock on his service records and all records pertaining to his time as a POW, he was a player in the effort to squelch POW recovery efforts, he was a leader in the effort to normalize relations with Vietnam, and he has always seemed to get very uncomfortable when his POW time is discussed. Any of these on their own doesn't mean much, but together I can see one possibility. WARNING: THIS IS SPECULATION HERE! My guess is that the reports that McCain did a lot more than just sign confessions for the North Vietnemese are true. I think McCain has been worried for decades that the Vietnemese would reveal exactly what he did in the Hanoi Hilton, and that's why he squelched the POW hunts to protect the Vietnamese government from embarassment, he has lobbied on their behalf to get relations normalized, and why he gets so uncomfortable when he's asked about his POW time. I've met quite a few POWs, and they often get sad or angry (usually both) when you ask them about their time as a POW, but they are always proud of that they did and never get uncomfortable. McCain has a well-documented track record of taking care of himself first, and being willing to sacrifice anyone to get what he wants, so I don't see him being any different while a POW.

As to the 70's era question, these reports came in during the early 1980s. I doubt any of the guys who were sent to Russia, China, etc. would still be alive today. Their presence would be devastating to their relations with the US.

As to remains, often the only remains of pilots and others that have been located in Vietnam over the past decade have been small pieces of bones. But even that is something for their families.

At what point do you call it a day? I guess that answer depends on whether or not you have a loved one missing. As to what Obama would do, my guess is nothing. The POW issue has been off the radar for close to 20 years, and now Obama brings it up, so my guess is he's going to use these guys as a hammer to bop McCain in the head with. What I am most interested in will be McCain's response. McCain got a free pass on the POW issue in 2000 when he was the darling of the MSM. That status is gone now, so I'm hoping that this time around, when he offers blanket denials of everything, some reporters will actually start digging and uncover what really happened in the Hanoi Hilton. They may find that things happened exactly like McCain said, but he's acting the way he is for a reason, and I would like to know for sure what that reason is.

Originally Posted by Dougstermd

Well that depends on your definition of a POW??? we have three civilians being held in columbia by Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. they have been there 5 years I believe.


How is OBAMA HAMMA gona negotiate with the RAFC

Those aren't POWs, they are kidnapped Americans. But I think if Obama does raise the POW issue, it's fair to include these folks as well.