Obama Memorial Day Speech

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

Obama makes a pledge to bring home all POW/MIA's ,and just how does he intend to do that? By talking? And what does he intend to do if Al Qaeda or whoever has these POW/MIA's tells him to go #### in his hat. Will he whine? Will he moan? Its plain he wont send any troops after them. We won't be there to search for their bodies. Does he really believe that terrorists will just pack them up and send them home after we leave. What happens if they send the bodies home minus their heads? What does Obama do then?

Obama doesnt know #### from Shinola and every time he opens his piehole he proves it.

I doubt he'll even try to get them back. These guys were taken by the Russians, Chinese, and other countries, all of whom would be highly embarassed if after decades of denials they suddenly said "you know what, we not only illegally took your guys, but we murdered them after we got the info we needed from them. Are we still cool?" There's no way these countries could ever admit to these crimes, and there's no way that POW families could be trusted to stay mum if the remains were brought back on the QT.

The reason I make note of this speech is that after 20 years of national silence on POW status, Obama is bringing it up. It's got to be because he intends to make it an issue with McCain.

[Pete (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I doubt McCain is a Russian spy. I have heard lots of loony Manchurian Candidate theories about McCain going back to 2000, and I think they are pretty stupid. But, the truth is McCain has done four things since coming back as a POW: he put a lock on his service records and all records pertaining to his time as a POW, he was a player in the effort to squelch POW recovery efforts, he was a leader in the effort to normalize relations with Vietnam, and he has always seemed to get very uncomfortable when his POW time is discussed. Any of these on their own doesn't mean much, but together I can see one possibility. WARNING: THIS IS SPECULATION HERE! My guess is that the reports that McCain did a lot more than just sign confessions for the North Vietnemese are true. I think McCain has been worried for decades that the Vietnemese would reveal exactly what he did in the Hanoi Hilton, and that's why he squelched the POW hunts to protect the Vietnamese government from embarassment, he has lobbied on their behalf to get relations normalized, and why he gets so uncomfortable when he's asked about his POW time. I've met quite a few POWs, and they often get sad or angry (usually both) when you ask them about their time as a POW, but they are always proud of that they did and never get uncomfortable. McCain has a well-documented track record of taking care of himself first, and being willing to sacrifice anyone to get what he wants, so I don't see him being any different while a POW.

As to the 70's era question, these reports came in during the early 1980s. I doubt any of the guys who were sent to Russia, China, etc. would still be alive today. Their presence would be devastating to their relations with the US.

As to remains, often the only remains of pilots and others that have been located in Vietnam over the past decade have been small pieces of bones. But even that is something for their families.

At what point do you call it a day? I guess that answer depends on whether or not you have a loved one missing. As to what Obama would do, my guess is nothing. The POW issue has been off the radar for close to 20 years, and now Obama brings it up, so my guess is he's going to use these guys as a hammer to bop McCain in the head with. What I am most interested in will be McCain's response. McCain got a free pass on the POW issue in 2000 when he was the darling of the MSM. That status is gone now, so I'm hoping that this time around, when he offers blanket denials of everything, some reporters will actually start digging and uncover what really happened in the Hanoi Hilton. They may find that things happened exactly like McCain said, but he's acting the way he is for a reason, and I would like to know for sure what that reason is.

1. I provided you a link and told you weeks ago that McCain released his service record and medical record yet you continue to spread the lie he "locked up" his record.

2. You claimed earlier that you used to respect him because he didn't talk about his POW days and use it campaigning, THEN you said yu lost respect for him because he was using his former POW status as a campaign item, now you say he is "uneasy" about talking about his POW days.

3. How many wild ass theories of how McCain is pure evil are you going to dream up? Are you going to just keep flinging shiat until some sticks? Will you please pick one loonbag crazy ass coo-coo for CoCo Puffs conspiracy theory and stick to it? TIA

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

From what I understand the story about his Uncle is a true story.

His Uncle was present when the camp at Buchenwald was liberated.

However B-rock got the camps mixed up and claimed he was present at Auschwitz. Too bad he didnt listen a little more carefully when his Uncle told the story. We dont hear much about Obama's white relatives and when we do he gets his story mixed up. I wonder how often he speaks to this Uncle.

Yeah, he confused Buchenwald with Auschwitz, and of course... there was Candy Crowly at CNN rushing off to get the Republican reaction, and of course, some retards at the RNC told her that this mistake was a clear sign that Obama is not fit to be Commander-in-Chief. Brilliant strategy again! A guy gets a detail about a 60 year-old story that he heard second or third hand wrong, and that's a means to define someone was unfit to be CinC, while their candidate keeps forgetting who the Sunnis and Shia are, confuses al Qaeda training with Iranian training of insurgents, etc. Not very smart to make getting details wrong a campaign issue, especially when your guy is confused about details he just got briefed on.

[MMDad (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Yeah, he confused Buchenwald with Auschwitz, and of course... there was Candy Crowly at CNN rushing off to get the Republican reaction, and of course, some retards at the RNC told her that this mistake was a clear sign that Obama is not fit to be Commander-in-Chief. Brilliant strategy again! A guy gets a detail about a 60 year-old story that he heard second or third hand wrong, and that's a means to define someone was unfit to be CinC, while their candidate keeps forgetting who the Sunnis and Shia are, confuses al Qaeda training with Iranian training of insurgents, etc. Not very smart to make getting details wrong a campaign issue, especially when your guy is confused about details he just got briefed on.

You are so one sided it's disgusting. To you, Obama's gaffes are "mistakes" while McCain is "forgetting", "confused" and "not very smart."

"I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps and the story in our family is that when he came home, he just went up into the attic and he didn’t leave the house for six months, right."

He didn't have an Uncle, and American troops didn't go to Auschwitz.

His campaign clarified that it was his great uncle, and that he meant Ohrdruf, said he wouldn't identify the "uncle" because he was old and wanted privacy. An hour later, they named the great uncle.

Now I'm hearing that he didn't even really have a great uncle, but we'll see how that plays out.

Since the first half of his story is pure fabrication, should we even believe the second half? Did this "uncle" really hide in the attic for six months?

Why is this important you may ask? Because of timing. It was Memorial day, and he was trying to pander to Veterans, their families, and Jews. As a veteran, I am offended by his blatant lying and using the holiday in an attempt to gain a few votes.

This does speak volumes about his ability to be President. He said he'll meet with Ahmadinejad, who is a holocaust denier. Yet Obama doesn't know the basic history of the holocaust.

Bru, if you are going to criticize McCain for every weakness, at least be fair about it by applying the same standard to Obama.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

It's amazing that you guys on here and the Pro-Clinton media make a big deal over Obama's mistake by questioning his judgement and but when McCain makes a mistake, they're just innocent mistakes.

I can't believe the GOP is releasing ads and statements criticizing Obama over this, after that speech McCain made about the situation in Iraq. Go back and look, I never made a big deal of it then. I didn't say a word about it. But it seems when McCain makes a mistake and gets some things confused, you guys defend it, but if it's Obama, you people criticize it endlessly.

He misspoke - it happens with everybody. Do you even want to start counting times Bush has misspoken.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bann
How's about the "embellished" story about the uncle who helped liberate Jewish people from Auschwitz? (And his college edumacated self said "I had 'a' uncle...")

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

From what I understand the story about his Uncle is a true story.

His Uncle was present when the camp at Buchenwald was liberated.

However B-rock got the camps mixed up and claimed he was present at Auschwitz. Too bad he didnt listen a little more carefully when his Uncle told the story. We dont hear much about Obama's white relatives and when we do he gets his story mixed up. I wonder how often he speaks to this Uncle.

Right, I knew that while the story had truth to it, he embellished it. Whether he did it on purpose or just made a gaffe - that's not known. What is known, is that he has done this a lot. (embellish, get things wrong, mixed stuff up, etc.) Lately, too.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by Pete

1. I provided you a link and told you weeks ago that McCain released his service record and medical record yet you continue to spread the lie he "locked up" his record.

2. You claimed earlier that you used to respect him because he didn't talk about his POW days and use it campaigning, THEN you said yu lost respect for him because he was using his former POW status as a campaign item, now you say he is "uneasy" about talking about his POW days.

3. How many wild ass theories of how McCain is pure evil are you going to dream up? Are you going to just keep flinging shiat until some sticks? Will you please pick one loonbag crazy ass coo-coo for CoCo Puffs conspiracy theory and stick to it? TIA

on all three.

I'm not a McCain supporter, but I don't think he's lied about his military service. At least he served in the military, and went to war for our country. In fact, not only did he go to war, he took the physical torture while being held as a POW for this country. The man deserves respect for that.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by MMDad

You are so one sided it's disgusting. To you, Obama's gaffes are "mistakes" while McCain is "forgetting", "confused" and "not very smart."

"I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps and the story in our family is that when he came home, he just went up into the attic and he didn’t leave the house for six months, right."

He didn't have an Uncle, and American troops didn't go to Auschwitz.

His campaign clarified that it was his great uncle, and that he meant Ohrdruf, said he wouldn't identify the "uncle" because he was old and wanted privacy. An hour later, they named the great uncle.

Now I'm hearing that he didn't even really have a great uncle, but we'll see how that plays out.

Since the first half of his story is pure fabrication, should we even believe the second half? Did this "uncle" really hide in the attic for six months?

Why is this important you may ask? Because of timing. It was Memorial day, and he was trying to pander to Veterans, their families, and Jews. As a veteran, I am offended by his blatant lying and using the holiday in an attempt to gain a few votes.

This does speak volumes about his ability to be President. He said he'll meet with Ahmadinejad, who is a holocaust denier. Yet Obama doesn't know the basic history of the holocaust.

Bru, if you are going to criticize McCain for every weakness, at least be fair about it by applying the same standard to Obama.

Originally Posted by Pete

1. I provided you a link and told you weeks ago that McCain released his service record and medical record yet you continue to spread the lie he "locked up" his record.

2. You claimed earlier that you used to respect him because he didn't talk about his POW days and use it campaigning, THEN you said yu lost respect for him because he was using his former POW status as a campaign item, now you say he is "uneasy" about talking about his POW days.

3. How many wild ass theories of how McCain is pure evil are you going to dream up? Are you going to just keep flinging shiat until some sticks? Will you please pick one loonbag crazy ass coo-coo for CoCo Puffs conspiracy theory and stick to it? TIA

1. Sorry, I usually don't bother reading your posts as you don't write much that's worth my taking time to read, so I never saw the link. Post it again and I'll check it out.

2. You're confusing statements. What I said was that my opinion is what a guy does in a POW camp should be off limits unless he starts using his POW status as a reason to vote for him. In the past, especially during the 2000 election, McCain was very quick to downplay and dispell any mention of his time as a POW. This time around he isn't. He has referenced his time as a POW on several occasions, so I think it's now fair to take a closer look at exactly what his statement "I violated the Code of Conduct while a POW" actually means.

As to his being uneasy, actually uncomfortable, talking about his time as a POW, go back and watch video from the 2000 campaign. He would be looking right at an interviewer or the camera when he was being asked about everything else, but when questions about his POW time came up, he starts looking down, he fidgets, he shifts his upper body... all signs that someone is uncomfortable discussing something. Could this be a natural reaction to being POW? It could be, but I've talked to a lot of POWs at work, the VFW, guest speakers, while on active duty, etc., and I've never seen a guy act this way except for McCain. Also, these guys will usually talk your ear off about what happened (I talked to a doctor who had been on the Bataan Death March for close to six hours last Veteran's Day). They seem to feel a need to pass their experience on to others so everyone knows what they went through and what the enemy did. McCain has never done that in any interview I have seen. He just gets fidgity and starts talking about how this is a personal issue and one that he won't talk about, how he's forgiven his captors, etc. That's unlike any POW I have ever talked to, but then again... these guys never violated the Code that I know of. McCain did, and what he did is what (I think) makes him uncomfortable. By the way, that doctor I was talking to was an invited guest at the company I worked for, and was a very distinguished cardiac surgeon and very respected in the medical community. He got up to start addressing about 500 professional employees, and was very soft spoken and cultured in his language. But when he mentioned the Japanese, he would say "Nips", "Fuc4ing Nips", "Jap Bastards", etc. I asked him when we were talking afterwards if he realized he had used those kinds of terms in front of employees of such a diversity-focused company (the guy is in his 90s), and he said he was very aware of it and he was just calling the SOBs what they were. That's the typical reaction to talking about guys who tortured you for years, not the "live and let live" attitude McCain has.

3. I don't think McCain is evil at all. McCain is just a guy like many others I met in the service and in business, with severe personality flaws. From what I've read he inherited them from his father. I don't like these folks, but I don't see them as evil. They are self-serving, they are willing to sacrifice anyone and anything needed to get what they want, they have no loyalty, and they are quick to anger when they don't get what they want. I hold nothing against any of them as I have learned that these folks usually get what's coming to them in the end. Where I do have a problem with these people is when they actively pretend to be team players, to look out for their people, i.e., be someone they are not.

You want to look at the guy and see a fine, upstanding and credible guy, go ahead. You'll just see what you want to see. I voted for McCain in the MD primary in 2000 because I saw what I wanted to see, but since then I've taken off the rose-colored glasses and really looked at what he has done his whole life, and I find him to be contemptable... but in no way evil.

I'm also a human performance analyst by trade, and I know that people always do something for a reason. When I look at the stuff McCain, Obama, or anyone else does, I'm always interested in why they are doing it. As I have said already, I doubt Obama has any interest in bringing POW remains home. I think he wants POWs to be an issue. And if that's the case... why? There were a lot of people raising issues about McCain's POW time in 2000, but McCain just kept refusing to discuss the matter and the MSM, who desperately wanted McCain to defeat Bush, never did any investigating. So now we have Obama mentioning POWs out of the blue, why? Could it be because his campaign knows there's dirt to be found there? Maybe, maybe not, but what's for sure is he had a reason for mentioning POWs.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

1. Sorry, I usually don't bother reading your posts as you don't write much that's worth my taking time to read, so I never saw the link. Post it again and I'll check it out.

:ohsnap:

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Meanwhile, since we're on the subject of stuff not worth one taking their time to read. That was a waste of time. I hope you got a refund on the 2-3 minutes it took you to type all that.

We get it. You hate McCain and you're drinking the Obama kool-aid. Should I call you Bruzilla Obama, Brubama or Bruzack Obama? Whichever one works best for you.