Obama Memorial Day Speech

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

Bann just copied your post and the link originally showed up as an arrow linking to your post, but since Boardmommy has direct linking to pictures on the forums blocked, it filtered out the original link and aarow gif and just created a link to the picture.

If I recall correctly - I copied from TWO posts - but WTH difference does it make??? I don't believe it's the point. The point was the post I made - and Bruzilla is just choosing to insult someone over their HTML posting ability or non-ability.

BFD! No one is going around correcting his inability to spell correctly or for cripes' sake - his grammar.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...you, as a harsh critic, you answer the question, why did he do this?

During the hearings about normalizing relationships between us and Vietnam, getting info about rumors some of our guys were still being held, the families of POWs felt they were being mistreated by McCain.... plus some politicians thought McCain was stonewalling - documents not being released because of his own POW record. Dornan was one of those (Republican) politicians.

So no thread about Scott McClennan.....kinda surprised.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

That's what I figured. He thought he was going to jump in there and really scorch me with some post and then fell on his sword. How typical.

Scorch you? By quoting you and a link didn't show up?

You flatter yourself, I'm sure.


Maybe as a Human Performance Analyst, you can analyze what the gesture I'm performing for you now is.

Here's another interesting bit of video. It shows McCain challenging Dolores Alfond about her comments about a trip that retired General John Vessey made to Vietnam as President Bush's emissary to Vietnam. He is trying to convince her that General Vessey's report that all POWs have been returned is the final word, and she isn't buying it. He also gets upset that she is challenging Vessey's credibility. You can see how mad and upset he gets throughout the hearing, and then he storms off.

McCain belittles Dolores Alfond « McCain’s Taunts, Insults & Recklessness

But here's some additional background info: POW/MIA Evidence & Stats

Take a look at all the incidences and reports of POWs still being alive by early 1992, and ask yourself if you would be willing to accept a report that categorically denied men were still being held, with said report being based on "evidence" provided to Vessey by the Vietnemese? This isn't Daily Kos or Move On crap, this is peices by the Washington Times, WSJ, congressional testimony, etc. But there is McCain saying the matter is closed, that all the POWs have been accounted for, that all the families have closure and "are grateful and happy"... yeah, right! I guess that's why a year later, Clinton orders Vessey back to Vietnam to reopen talks on MIA/POW remains and missing persons.

[Pete (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

1. Sorry, I usually don't bother reading your posts as you don't write much that's worth my taking time to read, so I never saw the link. Post it again and I'll check it out.

2. You're confusing statements. What I said was that my opinion is what a guy does in a POW camp should be off limits unless he starts using his POW status as a reason to vote for him. In the past, especially during the 2000 election, McCain was very quick to downplay and dispell any mention of his time as a POW. This time around he isn't. He has referenced his time as a POW on several occasions, so I think it's now fair to take a closer look at exactly what his statement "I violated the Code of Conduct while a POW" actually means.

As to his being uneasy, actually uncomfortable, talking about his time as a POW, go back and watch video from the 2000 campaign. He would be looking right at an interviewer or the camera when he was being asked about everything else, but when questions about his POW time came up, he starts looking down, he fidgets, he shifts his upper body... all signs that someone is uncomfortable discussing something. Could this be a natural reaction to being POW? It could be, but I've talked to a lot of POWs at work, the VFW, guest speakers, while on active duty, etc., and I've never seen a guy act this way except for McCain. Also, these guys will usually talk your ear off about what happened (I talked to a doctor who had been on the Bataan Death March for close to six hours last Veteran's Day). They seem to feel a need to pass their experience on to others so everyone knows what they went through and what the enemy did. McCain has never done that in any interview I have seen. He just gets fidgity and starts talking about how this is a personal issue and one that he won't talk about, how he's forgiven his captors, etc. That's unlike any POW I have ever talked to, but then again... these guys never violated the Code that I know of. McCain did, and what he did is what (I think) makes him uncomfortable. By the way, that doctor I was talking to was an invited guest at the company I worked for, and was a very distinguished cardiac surgeon and very respected in the medical community. He got up to start addressing about 500 professional employees, and was very soft spoken and cultured in his language. But when he mentioned the Japanese, he would say "Nips", "Fuc4ing Nips", "Jap Bastards", etc. I asked him when we were talking afterwards if he realized he had used those kinds of terms in front of employees of such a diversity-focused company (the guy is in his 90s), and he said he was very aware of it and he was just calling the SOBs what they were. That's the typical reaction to talking about guys who tortured you for years, not the "live and let live" attitude McCain has.

3. I don't think McCain is evil at all. McCain is just a guy like many others I met in the service and in business, with severe personality flaws. From what I've read he inherited them from his father. I don't like these folks, but I don't see them as evil. They are self-serving, they are willing to sacrifice anyone and anything needed to get what they want, they have no loyalty, and they are quick to anger when they don't get what they want. I hold nothing against any of them as I have learned that these folks usually get what's coming to them in the end. Where I do have a problem with these people is when they actively pretend to be team players, to look out for their people, i.e., be someone they are not.

You want to look at the guy and see a fine, upstanding and credible guy, go ahead. You'll just see what you want to see. I voted for McCain in the MD primary in 2000 because I saw what I wanted to see, but since then I've taken off the rose-colored glasses and really looked at what he has done his whole life, and I find him to be contemptable... but in no way evil.

I'm also a human performance analyst by trade, and I know that people always do something for a reason. When I look at the stuff McCain, Obama, or anyone else does, I'm always interested in why they are doing it. As I have said already, I doubt Obama has any interest in bringing POW remains home. I think he wants POWs to be an issue. And if that's the case... why? There were a lot of people raising issues about McCain's POW time in 2000, but McCain just kept refusing to discuss the matter and the MSM, who desperately wanted McCain to defeat Bush, never did any investigating. So now we have Obama mentioning POWs out of the blue, why? Could it be because his campaign knows there's dirt to be found there? Maybe, maybe not, but what's for sure is he had a reason for mentioning POWs.

Ha, made you type a book in reply to my "not worth your time to read" post. You have a lot in common with Obama, you only are lying when your lips move.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Dixie

So no thread about Scott McClennan.....kinda surprised.

...what do you mean by that?

Originally Posted by MMDad

The rest of it? What's left? That his "uncle" hid in an attic for six months? What information do you have that makes that "true?"

See... this is the sort of mindless BS I have been speaking out against and that so often gets attributed to just being in Obama's camp. You said "He didn't mispeak, he made up a story to pander to voters and got caught." Okay, where did you see that? Where did you read that? We've been saying he got the camp wrong and said uncle instead of great uncle (by the way, I never called my Great Uncles "Great Uncles", they were always just Uncle, so I can see where he goofed that up).

And, as expected, comes the reply that you're just talking out your ass. You have no idea if the story is true or not, but in your mind it isn't. That's fair enough, but at least be honest and say "In my opinion..." or "I think..." instead of stating your personal opinion as a documented fact.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...what do you mean by that?

His tell all book about his time as White House press secretary.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Dixie

His tell all book about his time as White House spokesman.

...start a thread. What's of interest? I think it's pretty much accepted that the Bush WH was more interested in justifying the crusade rather than avoiding war. I think it's clear what happened in the Plame case. I think it's clear that Bush is not what many people were expecting.

I'm a joiner not a leader and I've already spent more then I should have reading about it. Guess I'll get my fix from the news tonight instead. Carry on - apologies for the hijack.