Obama's associations may haunt bid

Originally Posted by chernmax

So we should believe in NObama because we'll get to know him through 2 books he wrote about himself... Oh and... Wake up!!!

No. What I am saying is people should quit making stupid statements like how they know nothing about the guy, then in the same breadth saying they know he's this, that, and the other thing.

I'm also saying it seems pretty smart to come out and go public with all the negatives in your life on your own terms. That seems to have worked pretty well. Instead of having a bunch of muckrakers looking for every time you ever used drugs, for example, all you have to do is say "yes I've used drugs. I even wrote about it." That pretty much kills the issue right there.

[chernmax]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

No. What I am saying is people should quit making stupid statements like how they know nothing about the guy, then in the same breadth saying they know he's this, that, and the other thing.

I'm also saying it seems pretty smart to come out and go public with all the negatives in your life on your own terms. That seems to have worked pretty well. Instead of having a bunch of muckrakers looking for every time you ever used drugs, for example, all you have to do is say "yes I've used drugs. I even wrote about it." That pretty much kills the issue right there.

Because most of the statements that people are making are based on NObama's own words, actions, and known associates!!! I'm surprise you didn't repute any of NObama's quotes from his own books posted above. Or are those Just Words too???

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

No. What I am saying is people should quit making stupid statements like how they know nothing about the guy, then in the same breadth saying they know he's this, that, and the other thing.

Who said they know nothing about him? What I said was he has a very small record, because he is so inexperienced. But, the record he does have shows he's more than willing to skip out on his job (about 20% of the votes in the US Senate are no-shows, very similar to the "Present" votes - really taking a stand there!! - in the IL Senate), that he's very socialist, and his close personal associates are racist bigots - implying he must be also.

Don't accuse someone of making statements they're not making.

Meanwhile, you tell us McCain's story of his life doesn't count, because it comes from the man himself. Then, you tell us Barry's does, because it comes from the man himself. Are you a Kerad MPD, unable to maintain a coherant train of thought?

I'm also saying it seems pretty smart to come out and go public with all the negatives in your life on your own terms. That seems to have worked pretty well. Instead of having a bunch of muckrakers looking for every time you ever used drugs, for example, all you have to do is say "yes I've used drugs. I even wrote about it." That pretty much kills the issue right there.

It only kills the issue if your whole goal is "gotcha". If your goal is to know whether or not the person running for president is weak enough to fall for drugs, it's very telling indeed that he was. We're not talking party pot here, either.

It's not all about the scandal of the week, it's about character. Barry's is bad.

Originally Posted by This_person

Who said they know nothing about him? What I said was he has a very small record, because he is so inexperienced. But, the record he does have shows he's more than willing to skip out on his job (about 20% of the votes in the US Senate are no-shows, very similar to the "Present" votes - really taking a stand there!! - in the IL Senate), that he's very socialist, and his close personal associates are racist bigots - implying he must be also.

Don't accuse someone of making statements they're not making.

Meanwhile, you tell us McCain's story of his life doesn't count, because it comes from the man himself. Then, you tell us Barry's does, because it comes from the man himself. Are you a Kerad MPD, unable to maintain a coherant train of thought?It only kills the issue if your whole goal is "gotcha". If your goal is to know whether or not the person running for president is weak enough to fall for drugs, it's very telling indeed that he was. We're not talking party pot here, either.

It's not all about the scandal of the week, it's about character. Barry's is bad.

Did I mention you by name? No... so chill.

Also, your criticism of Obama for not being present at a lot of Senate votes is correct, but the exact same can be said of McCain and Clinton. All three of them missed most of the votes for the past year.

Lastly, you're completely misunderstanding what I wrote about Obama's books. Obama came out and aired his dirty laundry in his books. When someone comes out and admits all their faults at the start, it's very difficult for some reporter to go digging around for the "truth" when it's already been published. Imagine Gary Hart coming out and saying "yes, I have fooled around, and it was wrong" instead of daring the media to go find evidence of his affairs? As for McCain, his account of his time as a POW is very different from the accounts of him from other POWs. McCain wrote all about what a fine, upstanding guy he was, but that's an account disputed by other POWs. This hasn't been an issue in the past as McCain has never allowed his POW status to play a role in the campaign, but now he is. So compare Obama's admission of the negative that he's used drugs with McCain's denial that he aided the enemy. With the drugs story there'e nothing to dig up as Obama's already admitted to hiw wrong doing, but McCain has steadfastly denied his, which gives the media something to go digging for.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Did I mention you by name? No... so chill.

No, you responded to me directly with the quote. So, no chill necessary. Don't accuse me of crap that isn't true.

Also, your criticism of Obama for not being present at a lot of Senate votes is correct, but the exact same can be said of McCain and Clinton. All three of them missed most of the votes for the past year.

Yes, but because Barry is so junior, so inexperienced, that means he's missed 20% of his votes TOTAL in the Senate. John's no where near that, even though this isn't his first presidential rodeo.

Lastly, you're completely misunderstanding what I wrote about Obama's books. Obama came out and aired his dirty laundry in his books. When someone comes out and admits all their faults at the start, it's very difficult for some reporter to go digging around for the "truth" when it's already been published. Imagine Gary Hart coming out and saying "yes, I have fooled around, and it was wrong" instead of daring the media to go find evidence of his affairs?

See, and that means it's only important if it's a "gotcha". I don't care who found out about what, I care what was found out and if it's true. If Barry stood up and said, "why, uh, yes - you see the thing is - uh, I heard all of those sermons from my spritual mentor, and I stand by them" that wouldn't make the issue go away. It's not about "gotcha", it's about substance. The substance is Barry did some serious drugs for a long period of time. He distances himself from the only family that did anything for him, because of the color of their skin. He knowing chose to belong to a church that, for almost a decade before he joined it, was preaching hate theology (as admitted to proudly by his spiritual mentor). He has no leadership experience of any kind, and keeps horrible close personal associations. There's not a single thing that can be said in his favor except he looks good in a suit and is very eloquent. Even most of his supporters can only tout he's for change, without any understanding of what that change actually would be. Asked for evidence of his accomplishments, they stammer. Asked why they support him, his self-proclaimed lie of being black is one of their first answers.

I'll ask you again to show me one worthwhile accomplishment of Barry, on his own, in the Illinois or US Senate that would make America better.

As for McCain, his account of his time as a POW is very different from the accounts of him from other POWs. McCain wrote all about what a fine, upstanding guy he was, but that's an account disputed by other POWs. This hasn't been an issue in the past as McCain has never allowed his POW status to play a role in the campaign, but now he is. So compare Obama's admission of the negative that he's used drugs with McCain's denial that he aided the enemy. With the drugs story there'e nothing to dig up as Obama's already admitted to hiw wrong doing, but McCain has steadfastly denied his, which gives the media something to go digging for.

And, if McCain has already aluded to not performing well under years of torture, and actually did something wrong (which I doubt, I admit, but we'll leave it out there as the hypothetical), who cares now? He has DECADES of service since then to demonstrate who he is, and how he'd govern in the future. Barry has DECADES of ....... virtually nothing. What little there is of his record is clear - he's a socialist with a bad character and unworthy aspirations.

[chernmax]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Did I mention you by name? No... so chill.

Also, your criticism of Obama for not being present at a lot of Senate votes is correct, but the exact same can be said of McCain and Clinton. All three of them missed most of the votes for the past year.

Lastly, you're completely misunderstanding what I wrote about Obama's books. Obama came out and aired his dirty laundry in his books. When someone comes out and admits all their faults at the start, it's very difficult for some reporter to go digging around for the "truth" when it's already been published. Imagine Gary Hart coming out and saying "yes, I have fooled around, and it was wrong" instead of daring the media to go find evidence of his affairs? As for McCain, his account of his time as a POW is very different from the accounts of him from other POWs. McCain wrote all about what a fine, upstanding guy he was, but that's an account disputed by other POWs. This hasn't been an issue in the past as McCain has never allowed his POW status to play a role in the campaign, but now he is. So compare Obama's admission of the negative that he's used drugs with McCain's denial that he aided the enemy. With the drugs story there'e nothing to dig up as Obama's already admitted to hiw wrong doing, but McCain has steadfastly denied his, which gives the media something to go digging for.

How the hell can you even compare McCain's years of torture at the hands of the Vietcong for 5-1/2 years as some sort of rebuttal to NObama's admitted drug use. Out of everything you have posted, this is the most sickening...

Looks like the US Government punished McCain pretty well as a result of aiding the enemy with seventeen military awards and decorations include the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Bronze Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, and Navy Commendation Medal; all for actions before, during, and after his time as a POW!!!

Originally Posted by chernmax

How the hell can you even compare McCain's years of torture at the hands of the Vietcong for 5-1/2 years as some sort of rebuttal to NObama's admitted drug use. Out of everything you have posted, this is the most sickening...

Looks like the US Government punished McCain pretty well as a result of aiding the enemy with seventeen military awards and decorations include the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Bronze Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, and Navy Commendation Medal; all for actions before, during, and after his time as a POW!!!

Jeeze... how thick are you? I was not comparing Obama's drug use to McCain's being a POW! I was comparing Obama's use of his books to get his negatives out to McCain using a Newsweek story to only show his positives.

As for his medals, those that you listed were the common outlay for most captured pilots. How about you look at what the Navy did for McCain and McCain alone... like giving him a very, very, unusual billet as CO of a non-deploying stateside-only training squadron instead of a deployable fleet squadron? Or how about how the Navy stashed him after his one and only CO billet and declined to promote him any further?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

As for his medals, those that you listed were the common outlay for most captured pilots. How about you look at what the Navy did for McCain and McCain alone... like giving him a very, very, unusual billet as CO of a non-deploying stateside-only training squadron instead of a deployable fleet squadron? Or how about how the Navy stashed him after his one and only CO billet and declined to promote him any further?

Okay, meanwhile show me how high Barry got in his service to his country.

Wait, he never did?

Well, certainly he championed in business then, right?

What?

Well, then what WAS Barry doing while John was laid out in a POW camp? What HAS he done to demonstrate any kind of loyalty to his country? What has HE sacrificed for his patriotism?

Oh yeah, he sacrificed the family that raised and nurtured him to get a huge federal job with a freaking unbelievable pension, after ignoring any selflessness that most presidents have done before him.

Thanks for the reminder, and putting what happened with McCain three and a half decades ago in context.

[Pete (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Jeeze... how thick are you? I was not comparing Obama's drug use to McCain's being a POW! I was comparing Obama's use of his books to get his negatives out to McCain using a Newsweek story to only show his positives.

As for his medals, those that you listed were the common outlay for most captured pilots. How about you look at what the Navy did for McCain and McCain alone... like giving him a very, very, unusual billet as CO of a non-deploying stateside-only training squadron instead of a deployable fleet squadron? Or how about how the Navy stashed him after his one and only CO billet and declined to promote him any further?

I find it appauling you can take a giant crap on the reputation of someone like McCain making unsubstantiated accusations just because you don't like them.

You are a turd.

Originally Posted by Pete

I find it appauling you can take a giant crap on the reputation of someone like McCain making unsubstantiated accusations just because you don't like them.

You are a turd.

Oh lookee here... it's Return of the Living Dread... Mr. National Security. Yeah, you're a fine one to judge.

Go ahead and call me a turd if it makes you feel better. Now that McCain is running on being a POW it won't be long before those "unsubstantiated accusations" become confirmed fact. Of course, then you'll just blame it all on a VLWC I'm sure.