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Originally Posted by This_person

No, I think they're just inexperienced and foolish, and stuff keeps happening.

I think the issues will come out shortly enough. A seasoned, reasoned candidate like McCain understands a huge portion of the voting block has the attention span of a gnat, so there's little point in bringing up too many issues too soon, as they'll be forgotten by Nov.

You could be right, but I think the problem is McCain has the same stance on most issues. If the issue is experience, McCain has more experience with the military, but what else has he got? He spent a lot of time in the House and Senate, but didn't really accomplish anything until the past few years. And even he has admitted he's weak on economic experience... the number one issue right now. As for immigration, gun control, appointing judges, the environment, energy, etc., McCain has a record that's about the same as Obama's. McCain is trying hard to re-create himself as a conservative, but his record still is what it is, and if he attacks on the issues he's going to get it tossed right back in his face.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Have you looked at Barr? When one realizes that Obama will not be good as president, and McCain won't be any better, then the obvious choice is Bob Barr. This is going to be a two-party election: Republocrats vs. Libertarians.

Where Barr is more of a conservative than liberal, a vote for Barr (who will NOT be elected) is a vote robbed from McCain (who has a chance to be elected). Like Perot sharing the conservative votes with Bush 41, and somewhat (though not as much) with Dole, ensuring a Clinton "victory" of 40 something percent of the popular vote (yes, 50%+ voted AGAINST Bill Clinton, both times), you seem bent on a Barry victory so badly that you'll use whatever means to distract people from voting the least bad candidate.

Barr has some interestingly conservative thoughts, and some crazy idiotic thoughts. However, he won't be elected.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

You could be right, but I think the problem is McCain has the same stance on most issues. If the issue is experience, McCain has more experience with the military, but what else has he got? He spent a lot of time in the House and Senate, but didn't really accomplish anything until the past few years. And even he has admitted he's weak on economic experience... the number one issue right now. As for immigration, gun control, appointing judges, the environment, energy, etc., McCain has a record that's about the same as Obama's. McCain is trying hard to re-create himself as a conservative, but his record still is what it is, and if he attacks on the issues he's going to get it tossed right back in his face.

Love to see you compare and contrast bills passed by the Senate to back that up.

Since the total of Barry's leadership has been to get a Post Office named, I know you can't.

So, please provide for me some votes in the Senate that would back up that assertion.

Originally Posted by This_person

Where Barr is more of a conservative than liberal, a vote for Barr (who will NOT be elected) is a vote robbed from McCain (who has a chance to be elected). Like Perot sharing the conservative votes with Bush 41, and somewhat (though not as much) with Dole, ensuring a Clinton "victory" of 40 something percent of the popular vote (yes, 50%+ voted AGAINST Bill Clinton, both times), you seem bent on a Barry victory so badly that you'll use whatever means to distract people from voting the least bad candidate.

Barr has some interestingly conservative thoughts, and some crazy idiotic thoughts. However, he won't be elected.

The general campaign has barely started and McCain has already dropped six points against Obama. The long Dem campaign has flushed out most all of the negatives about Obama while McCain has gotten a free pass while the MSM was obsessed with the Clinton/Obama show. What do you think is going to happen when the media spotlight shifts to McCain and all his dirty laundry?

Also, McCain is still at only about 25% of the funds that GWB raised by this point. And, most of the money that McCain is bringing in is coming from PACs. There just isn't much support for McCain, and most people are recognizing that.

McCain has zero chance of winning. Zero. He's going to go down like McGovern and Mondale because he's going to split the center with Obama and the Right isn't going to support him. Barr stands an excellent chance of winning if he picks up the core Republicans and enough of the center.

Originally Posted by This_person

Love to see you compare and contrast bills passed by the Senate to back that up.

Since the total of Barry's leadership has been to get a Post Office named, I know you can't.

So, please provide for me some votes in the Senate that would back up that assertion.

Who needs bills? Just look at their stated positions:

Both Obama and McCain voted against more drilling or refineries, so that's a dead issue.

Both have said they believe in the 2nd Ammendment, but think that "common sense" gun laws are needed, so that's another dead issue.

Both have called for open borders and amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Both have opposed the Bush tax cuts.

Obama says he'll appoint "activist" judges, McCain rushed out and formed the Gang of 14 to prevent the appointment of strict constructionist judges.

Both are saying global warming is man made, and are supporting legislation to "fix" it.

The only area they disagree about is Iraq.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Who needs bills? Just look at their stated positions:

Both Obama and McCain voted against more drilling or refineries, so that's a dead issue.

Both have said they believe in the 2nd Ammendment, but think that "common sense" gun laws are needed, so that's another dead issue.

Both have called for open borders and amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Both have opposed the Bush tax cuts.

Obama says he'll appoint "activist" judges, McCain rushed out and formed the Gang of 14 to prevent the appointment of strict constructionist judges.

Both are saying global warming is man made, and are supporting legislation to "fix" it.

The only area they disagree about is Iraq.

You're clearly reading different stated positions than I am, or are on each of their websites under "Issues" tab.

[Qurious]

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