Speaking of Flag Pins

I was watching Blitzer's show on CNN tonight, and Paul Begala was on there. I noticed he has recently taken to wearing a flagpin on his lapel, but the one he had on tonight looked like it had a big, black, circle in the middle of the stripes... like a bullet hole. Anyone else see this?

[chernmax]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

I was watching Blitzer's show on CNN tonight, and Paul Begala was on there. I noticed he has recently taken to wearing a flagpin on his lapel, but the one he had on tonight looked like it had a big, black, circle in the middle of the stripes... like a bullet hole. Anyone else see this?

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Hey there chernmax. I couldn't help but notice you didn't bother to answer my McCain questions on the other thread. Why are ducking them? Are you busy trying to come up with more witty names to call me? Anyway... I'll repost them again here in case you missed them.

How does a guy who is supposedly brutally tortured by the NVA to the point where he can no longer raise his arms pass a Navy flight physical and ejection seat qual? I've had both, plus the same flight physiology and DWEST survival quals he had to go through, and there is NO WAY a guy can pass any of these if he can't raise his arms over his head! So... before you go calling me a chicken or any other names, please answer the question.

Next, answer how it is that McCain was given command of a stateside training squadron without first being CO of a fleet squadron.

If you really were a naval officer for 23 years, you know that guys the Navy finds fit for higher command, especially those who are legacies to two distinguished admirals and a POW, don't get stashed to an admin job in the basement of the Senate Office building to await retirement. If the Navy found McCain unfit for higher command, why should I find him fit to be Commander-in-Chief?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Hey there chernmax. I couldn't help but notice you didn't bother to answer my McCain questions on the other thread. Why are ducking them? Are you busy trying to come up with more witty names to call me? Anyway... I'll repost them again here in case you missed them.

Hey, I noticed you didn't answer mine, either.

With over 30 years of service to his country since, and a long line of actions to judge his future leadership by, who cares about the actions or promotion status of a guy in a military being drawn down 30+ years ago? How does it effect who he is today?

And, where was your candidate during this time? What has he sacrificed for his country to show a loyalty to it? Why should we listen to him?

And, what is the accomplishment of your candidate that demonstrates his leadership, to get an idea of how he would lead?

Those are some of the ones I've asked you've never answered.

[ImnoMensa]

Obama doesnt even have loyalty to his white Grandmother ,he called her a typical white, why would anyone think has has a loyalty to this country?

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by This_person

Hey, I noticed you didn't answer mine, either.

With over 30 years of service to his country since, and a long line of actions to judge his future leadership by, who cares about the actions or promotion status of a guy in a military being drawn down 30+ years ago? How does it effect who he is today?

And, where was your candidate during this time? What has he sacrificed for his country to show a loyalty to it? Why should we listen to him?

And, what is the accomplishment of your candidate that demonstrates his leadership, to get an idea of how he would lead?

Those are some of the ones I've asked you've never answered.

He's never answered mine, either. Ran off in huff.

Originally Posted by This_person

Hey, I noticed you didn't answer mine, either.

With over 30 years of service to his country since, and a long line of actions to judge his future leadership by, who cares about the actions or promotion status of a guy in a military being drawn down 30+ years ago? How does it effect who he is today?

And, where was your candidate during this time? What has he sacrificed for his country to show a loyalty to it? Why should we listen to him?

And, what is the accomplishment of your candidate that demonstrates his leadership, to get an idea of how he would lead?

Those are some of the ones I've asked you've never answered.

To your first question, and I believe I have answered these, I really like it. McCain sole source of credibility in this campaign has been his military service (as he dang sure hasn't done much as a congressman or senator to help republicans). So what I think you are really asking is who cares about the negative aspects of his actions or promotions status as many seem to care very much about the positive aspects. But to my point, his actions 30 years ago are no different than they are today, or that they were 30 years before. By McCain's own accounts, he was disloyal to his best friend in high school. He was also a poor student because he resented the authority of his teachers. Also, in his own words, he has justified his pathetic performance at the USNA and as a pilot due to... resentment of authority and not wanting to do what he was told. Now, come forward to his life in politics. He is labled "A Maverick" for not always following the party line, but again... take a look at when he does, or doesn't tote the party line. On run of the mill issues, he totes it with the best of them. But on issues where Republicans call for unity, McCain most always goes the other way.

So what has changed over the years? McCain tossed his best buddy under the bus to avoid a BS misdemeanor charge, he tossed Bill Frist under the bus to better his position in the Senate. What has changed? McCain resented authority and structure when he was in high school, and is the same way in the Senate. Why are these things important? Because they show long-term patterns of behaviors that are not conducive to having your finger on the button.

My candidate is now Bob Barr, but I suppose you are talking about Obama. Obama has no military experience, but he hasn't been found unfit for higher command either. So, which is worse? The devil you know or the devil you don't?

How will Obama lead? Well, looking back at what he has done in the past, with the housing projects and in the IL Senate, I would lable this guy a concensus builder, about the same as Bush. Not my personal preference for C-in-C, but I know that McCain washed out at his time at bat as a leader. So... I'll go with Barr.

By the way, I know I've written all this before.

Hello? Chernmax? Are you out there???

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

To your first question, and I believe I have answered these, I really like it. McCain sole source of credibility in this campaign has been his military service (as he dang sure hasn't done much as a congressman or senator to help republicans).

Again, I believe you're grossly misrepresenting fact here. His "sole source of credibility" is military? Based on what do you make that statement? "Hasn't done much as a Congressman or Senator to help Republicans"? Again, please back that statement up.

So what I think you are really asking is who cares about the negative aspects of his actions or promotions status as many seem to care very much about the positive aspects.

No, what I am really asking is, as the military was being drawn down, why does it matter what the promotion status of a post-CO officer was? An injured one at that. Now, again, if he'd had nothing to do since then, it may matter. But, a long trail of accomplishments and votes since then tells us who he is now.

But to my point, his actions 30 years ago are no different than they are today, or that they were 30 years before. By McCain's own accounts, he was disloyal to his best friend in high school. He was also a poor student because he resented the authority of his teachers. Also, in his own words, he has justified his pathetic performance at the USNA and as a pilot due to... resentment of authority and not wanting to do what he was told. Now, come forward to his life in politics. He is labled "A Maverick" for not always following the party line, but again... take a look at when he does, or doesn't tote the party line. On run of the mill issues, he totes it with the best of them. But on issues where Republicans call for unity, McCain most always goes the other way.

Please back any of this up, or understand why it would be summarily dismissed.

However, if the claim is that poor performance 30 years ago is a valid argument, the claims of drug abuse, family abandonment, religious and personal racism, and horrific personal and professional conduct would certainly be in order to discuss with your candidate, Barry.

So what has changed over the years? McCain tossed his best buddy under the bus to avoid a BS misdemeanor charge, he tossed Bill Frist under the bus to better his position in the Senate. What has changed? McCain resented authority and structure when he was in high school, and is the same way in the Senate. Why are these things important? Because they show long-term patterns of behaviors that are not conducive to having your finger on the button.

Please back this up.

My candidate is now Bob Barr, but I suppose you are talking about Obama. Obama has no military experience, but he hasn't been found unfit for higher command either. So, which is worse? The devil you know or the devil you don't?

The devil I know. He was found fit for command. Barry has not been found fit for command. Barry has not found it fit for himself to sacrifice ANYTHING but his family and heritage.

How will Obama lead? Well, looking back at what he has done in the past, with the housing projects and in the IL Senate, I would lable this guy a concensus builder, about the same as Bush.

I'm not sure if you're being intentionally or unintentionally funny here.

Not my personal preference for C-in-C, but I know that McCain washed out at his time at bat as a leader. So... I'll go with Barr.

I think washed out is about two miles out on left field from accurate, but....


So, sell me on Barr (try doing it with facts).

[chernmax]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Hello? Chernmax? Are you out there???

Oh I'm out here, I just decided arguing with a blind idiot NObama supporter was less important than cutting my grass...