Tell me what company you keep...

[Bann (Premo)]

“Tell me what company you keep and I’ll tell you what you are”…Cervantes
By Rich Carroll

"Democrats, more concerned with saving their party than saving America, would like you and I to forget the old saying “you are known by the company you keep”. We are not to know that Barak Hussein Obama’s official website attracts hateful psychotics: Socialists for Obama, Muslims for Obama, Black Panthers for Obama, or Jemaah Islamiyah’s statement on the website:

“ We are a group that supports social justice for our oppressed Muslim brothers all over the world.

We support Barack Obama for President because he is sympathetic to the plight of Muslims. He is a man of integrity, who will not be bullied by the neo-cons and the Zionists. He will stand up for our oppressed Palestinian brothers and sisters, whose land is being illegally occupied by the evil Zionist entity whose name I just hate to even write.”

Obama website managers are now blocking Google’s cache from saving their pages, and have removed their pages from the Internet Archive and Coral archives to insure that when they throw a post down the memory hole it stays gone forever. Liberal Democrat gadfly’s do not want you to know his circle of friends include childhood mentor and American communist Frank Davis, that his supporters include Raila Ordinga, Islamic candidate in Kenya and Obama’s cousin, David Ortega, Marxist Sandinista leader, Nicaragua, Raul Castro, communist leader, Cuba."

"Tell Me What Company You Keep and I'll Tell You What You Are"... cervantes

[SamSpade]

If Josef Stalin or Adolf Hitler endorses you or proclaims they support you, that is not relevant nor is it a stain on your character or a measure of the "company you keep" when it's clear you do not "keep their company". Such persons could just as easily be *sabotaging* the name of a good person by attaching theirs to it. And unless you visit Charles Manson or consort with his previous followers, an endorsement by him is irrelevant - he is after all, free to say such things, and just because he's crazy doesn't mean he can't go "eeny-meeny-miney moe" with the candidates.

The only thing that IS relevant is why they are doing it. If you despise Jews and make that clear, that would attract a Hitler. If you embrace communism, that would attract a Stalin. If you drink beer, eat doughnuts and are always trying to kill Bart Simpson, you've probably got a lock on Homer Simpson's endorsement.

If however, you are on the whole, a good candidate with no serious skeletons, the endorsement of questionable persons is meaningless.

[chernmax]

Originally Posted by SamSpade

If Josef Stalin or Adolf Hitler endorses you or proclaims they support you, that is not relevant nor is it a stain on your character or a measure of the "company you keep" when it's clear you do not "keep their company". Such persons could just as easily be *sabotaging* the name of a good person by attaching theirs to it. And unless you visit Charles Manson or consort with his previous followers, an endorsement by him is irrelevant - he is after all, free to say such things, and just because he's crazy doesn't mean he can't go "eeny-meeny-miney moe" with the candidates.

The only thing that IS relevant is why they are doing it. If you despise Jews and make that clear, that would attract a Hitler. If you embrace communism, that would attract a Stalin. If you drink beer, eat doughnuts and are always trying to kill Bart Simpson, you've probably got a lock on Homer Simpson's endorsement.

If however, you are on the whole, a good candidate with no serious skeletons, the endorsement of questionable persons is meaningless.

An endorsement means they agree with his rhetoric or idology. And if the wingnuts endorse him, I certainly will not. Plus the fact is, he's a lawyer with no experience and has done nothing, I mean nothing as a legislator to make him even remotely qualified to run our country!!!

Originally Posted by SamSpade

If Josef Stalin or Adolf Hitler endorses you or proclaims they support you, that is not relevant nor is it a stain on your character or a measure of the "company you keep" when it's clear you do not "keep their company". Such persons could just as easily be *sabotaging* the name of a good person by attaching theirs to it. And unless you visit Charles Manson or consort with his previous followers, an endorsement by him is irrelevant - he is after all, free to say such things, and just because he's crazy doesn't mean he can't go "eeny-meeny-miney moe" with the candidates.

The only thing that IS relevant is why they are doing it. If you despise Jews and make that clear, that would attract a Hitler. If you embrace communism, that would attract a Stalin. If you drink beer, eat doughnuts and are always trying to kill Bart Simpson, you've probably got a lock on Homer Simpson's endorsement.

If however, you are on the whole, a good candidate with no serious skeletons, the endorsement of questionable persons is meaningless.

Excellent points... to bad they'll fall on deaf ears. There was a time when I would get all fired up about stuff like this, but I guess I'm just getting old enough to where I can see the futility of such arguments. I realize that just because I disagree with the views of people like Wright, Ayers, Farakhan, and others, it doesn't mean that everyone else does as well. In my view, attacking Obama for being affiliated with say Ayers, gains me agreement from the 30% or so of people who share my opinion, but strengthens resentment from the 30% os so people who share Ayer's opinion. It's like the old "He's a terrorist!/He's a freedom fighter" argument from the Middle East. In their minds, both sides are 100% right, so what does debating this issue result in? Nothing but a waste of time.

Better to argue the positives and negatives of the positions each party advocates. At least then you can argue about something tangible.

[SamSpade]

Originally Posted by chernmax

An endorsement means they agree with his rhetoric or idology. And if the wingnuts endorse him, I certainly will not. Plus the fact is, he's a lawyer with no experience and has done nothing, I mean nothing as a legislator to make him even remotely qualified to run our country!!!

It doesn't even mean that - it means they publicly give their approval or support. For all you know, they like his hair style or picked his name out of a hat. Some people KNOW their endorsement is the kiss of death, and they use that to their advantage. Someone might SAY "I endorse Ronald Reagan because he's a racist like me", but it doesn't make it true.

If it's rhetoric or ideology as a reason, it can still be that the person in question is just too stupid to realize that they're not in agreement with it. If someone endorsed McCain today because "he opposes BEER", it means they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

It's more important to know WHY someone has an endorsement than from whom.

[Bann (Premo)]

The company one keeps goes to character and reputation among other things. It's been applied to all the other candidates and public figures for eons. Just not with Obama.

Ok.

[SamSpade]

Originally Posted by Bann

The company one keeps goes to character and reputation among other things. It's been applied to all the other candidates and public figures for eons. Just not with Obama.

Ok.

That, I understand and mostly agree with.

Most of that line of argumentation against Obama is weak - it hasn't been shown he "keeps company" with most of those mentioned other than a passing association that you or I might also be guilty of. I belong to the Elks, but I don't actually know very many. If I ran for local office and someone accused me of keeping company with a notorious Elk, I'd laugh.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by SamSpade

That, I understand and mostly agree with.

Most of that line of argumentation against Obama is weak - it hasn't been shown he "keeps company" with most of those mentioned other than a passing association that you or I might also be guilty of. I belong to the Elks, but I don't actually know very many. If I ran for local office and someone accused me of keeping company with a notorious Elk, I'd laugh.

Not really, when you look at how many of that type of company he keeps. He's got a lot of interesting characters and they're not all only from "way back when" and minor acquaintances. I recall that we (Republicans, Conservatives,etc.) have been accused of claiming not to know much of anything about Obama - and yet - we're being accused of making all sorts of assumptions about him & accusing him of things when we know nothing about him.

I'm just posting things I find out about him.

I found the article posted on Free Republic. After reading the article, I checked out the source of the article, as I'd never heard of the source. Then I found the website "Focal Point USA", and checked that out also. It's a pretty good site, not a bash-site. They have opinon pieces and other things like that. But it also is like a clearing house with other new articles and links to other sites.