Smirking Chimp fires first salvo.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Of course there are answers? If McCain were actually tortured so badly by the NV that he couldn't raise his arms above his head, how could he possibly pass a flight physical? The only answers are either he wasn't tortured so badly that he couldn't raise his arms, or he never passed his flight physical, which would be extremely unlikely.

Why was he not selected for higher command? There are several undeniable truths here: first, he was never given a fleet command, just a training command, and that he got without the prerequisite fleet command. After that he was stashed to the basement of the Senate Office Building. He was a double legacy and a former POW, his admiral's flag should have been an automatic, but it wasn't. You're right, I have no proof of why this was, but McCain refuses to release the sections of his service record that would document why he got stashed. I can't see the stimulus, but I can see the response, and the response very strongly suggests McCain had problems as a CO.

So... if someone has 23 years of experience as a naval officer, I would think they should at least be able to provide some insight into the second question, and certainly to the first of they were in aviation.

Bruzilla, you sound like one of those crazy BDS people with their AWOL accusations.

I have no idea why McCain wasn't selected for higher command. It could be any number of things that do not necessarily preclude him from being President.

[PrchJrkr]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

And come 2012, when Rice runs, someone is going to do this to Condi and you and all the other hypoctites will be all up in arms about it.

Bru, you keep mentioning 2012. Do you think McCain will only serve one term?

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by cwo_ghwebb

Chinese, Korean anyone?

Ni hao.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

My objection was to people sitting there and thinking the Obama chimp picture was funny. These are the same aholes who object to this stuff being done to Bush, and make a ruckus about it, then they turn around and do it themselves.

Most of the people who responded to this thread did not indicate that they thought it was humorous to compare Michelle Obama to a chimp. In fact, the majority merely commented that turnabout is fair play and too bad.

[Pete (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Of course there are answers? If McCain were actually tortured so badly by the NV that he couldn't raise his arms above his head, how could he possibly pass a flight physical? The only answers are either he wasn't tortured so badly that he couldn't raise his arms, or he never passed his flight physical, which would be extremely unlikely.

Why was he not selected for higher command? There are several undeniable truths here: first, he was never given a fleet command, just a training command, and that he got without the prerequisite fleet command. After that he was stashed to the basement of the Senate Office Building. He was a double legacy and a former POW, his admiral's flag should have been an automatic, but it wasn't. You're right, I have no proof of why this was, but McCain refuses to release the sections of his service record that would document why he got stashed. I can't see the stimulus, but I can see the response, and the response very strongly suggests McCain had problems as a CO.

So... if someone has 23 years of experience as a naval officer, I would think they should at least be able to provide some insight into the second question, and certainly to the first of they were in aviation.

I figured you would still be stuck in the mud over 30 year old speculation you purport as all so important when no ones else cares.

It is a sad day when a sterling conservative such as yourself stoops to wild ass conjecture of 30 year old meaningless issues and mud slinging. You have stooped to the tactics of democrats, trying to attack a mans character and reputation just because you don't like him.

Questioning a mans heroism, medals, service, sacrifice and character and now even his injuries at the hands of his captors for political gain. You sound just like Hillary and Terry Mcauliffe maybe even worse. You should stick to concrete issues like voting records and policy stances and stop being Hillary.

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Of course there are answers? If McCain were actually tortured so badly by the NV that he couldn't raise his arms above his head, how could he possibly pass a flight physical? The only answers are either he wasn't tortured so badly that he couldn't raise his arms, or he never passed his flight physical, which would be extremely unlikely.

Why was he not selected for higher command? There are several undeniable truths here: first, he was never given a fleet command, just a training command, and that he got without the prerequisite fleet command. After that he was stashed to the basement of the Senate Office Building. He was a double legacy and a former POW, his admiral's flag should have been an automatic, but it wasn't. You're right, I have no proof of why this was, but McCain refuses to release the sections of his service record that would document why he got stashed. I can't see the stimulus, but I can see the response, and the response very strongly suggests McCain had problems as a CO.

So... if someone has 23 years of experience as a naval officer, I would think they should at least be able to provide some insight into the second question, and certainly to the first of they were in aviation.

Bru,

1. There was a huge RIF at the time in question. Very few people were being advanced.

2. Keeping a POW, being easy on him in a physical, and giving him a non-standard command path may have something to do with the Pentagon brass and their respect for him?

3. Exceptions are made for injured people if they can still function. There's a movie you should watch based on real life events called "Men of Honor." Since Carl Brashear was allowed to return to dive status, does that mean his amputation didn't really happen?

4. Isn't "Senate Liason" kind of an important job? Doesn't the Senate have a little bit to do with military funding? Wouldn't you want someone there who could handle the job? Is that really stashing?

5. Why weren't you "selected for higher command?" Why couldn't you make it past E-5 in 10 years? I made E-5 in 2 1/2 years, so it confuses me that someone with your massive intelligence and competence wouldn't have been at least a chief in 10 years. Is McCain's failure to advance such a big deal to you because it reminds you of your own failure?

[AndyMarquisLIVE (Premo)]

Originally Posted by MMDad

Why weren't you "selected for higher command?" Why couldn't you make it past E-5 in 10 years? I made E-5 in 2 1/2 years, so it confuses me that someone with your massive intelligence and competence wouldn't have been at least a chief in 10 years. Is McCain's failure to advance such a big deal to you because it reminds you of your own failure?

:ohsnap:

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Bruzilla, you sound like one of those crazy BDS people with their AWOL accusations.

I have no idea why McCain wasn't selected for higher command. It could be any number of things that do not necessarily preclude him from being President.

Vrai, you sound just like one of those Clintonites who heard all about the rapes, all about the affairs, all about the bad conduct, but cried "BUT YOU HAVE NO PROOF!" If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck... it's probably a duck.

As for this failure to be selected for higher command, you could be right. It could be for reasons that would have no negative impact on his being president. But if that is so, why is McCain refusing to release the sections of his service record that pertain to his performance as an officer? Why is he refusing to release the sections of his medical records that deal with his mental fitness? Every officer in the Navy gets fitness reports, and those are a big part of determining fitness for promotion, command, etc., and he refuses to let those out. He released all the good stuff... the commendations, write-ups for medals, etc., but held back his fitness reports. I have to believe that if those reflected well on him they would have been released as well. When John Kerry refused to release his service records, you were quick to jump on the reason being there's negative information he doesn't want folks to see. Yet with McCain you're all "BUT THERE'S NO PROOF!" and willing to make excuses for him. Hmmm...

Kerry's stories smelled like old garbage not because of the stimulus of them (which Kerry refused to release) but for the outcomes. How did a guy who did everything he could to avoid combat get bounced from a nice safe command and into a severe combat job? How does a guy get purple hearts with no injuries? How does a guy get medals for bravery under fire when the after-action reports are contradictory and inconclusive? You were right there on top of discussing all these issues for Kerry. There was no proof there either as Kerry kept it locked up, but that didn't stop you from seeing how his claims of being a model sailor didn't add up. Now here's McCain, son and grandson of an Admiral, former POW and a celebrity POW at that, who gets stashed and denied higher command. That's like Henry Ford Jr. getting told there's no future for him at Ford Motor Company and getting canned "for no reason". There are allegations from those he served with at VA-174 that McCain was fooling around with enlisted women, misusing aircraft for personal business to make trips to and from Arizona and Florida, abusing his authority, etc. All of these are just allegations, but they are all things that would get a guy's shot at promotion lowered to nill. They are also all things that would be documented in his fitness reports, which is probably why we'll never see them.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Bruzilla

Vrai, you sound just like one of those Clintonites who heard all about the rapes, all about the affairs, all about the bad conduct, but cried "BUT YOU HAVE NO PROOF!" If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck... it's probably a duck.

Yet when Barack Obama presents himself as a duck, you find a way to paint him as a swan.

Okey dokey.

[ImnoMensa]

Complaining about McCain when Bill Clinton couldnt even pass a rudimentary Top Secret Clearance. Neither could Hillary. I doubt Obama can.