Democrates lose again to Bush

[wintersprings]

"Democrats no longer talk of the 18 benchmarks for measuring progress in Iraq because so much progress has now taken place"

Wow. Did they finally get it? Support the troups, not stab them in the back.

[Kerad]

Are you intending to link to the articles that you're pulling your quotes from?

[wintersprings]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Are you intending to link to the articles that you're pulling your quotes from?

link

Pajamas Media » Remember Those Iraqi Benchmarks? Well, Guess What…

[ImnoMensa]

I dont know much about Benchmarks, but I do know that the Media has been keeping quiet on Iraq, and that probably means we are doing good.

If it were bad they would be shouting it from the rooftops/

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

I dont know much about Benchmarks, but I do know that the Media has been keeping quiet on Iraq, and that probably means we are doing good.

If it were bad they would be shouting it from the rooftops/

See Baby Alex (complements of Moveon.Org)

[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by Lenny

See Baby Alex (complements of Moveon.Org)

Baby Alex has a better chance of getting murdered in D.C. than killed in action in Iraq. Mischaracterization politics at its best. But what does one expect from folks with a September 10, 2001 attitude.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

I dont know much about Benchmarks, but I do know that the Media has been keeping quiet on Iraq, and that probably means we are doing good.

If it were bad they would be shouting it from the rooftops/

You can bet your azz on that. If it's not bad news or they can't blame something on Bush they won't report it.

[SamSpade]

Originally Posted by Vince

You can bet your azz on that. If it's not bad news or they can't blame something on Bush they won't report it.

This I can't fault the media for - way back when I was 10, I wrote to David Brinkley and asked him why the news broadcasts were about bad news. At the time I was bothered because my grandfather had died - a survivor of the Bataan death march and innumerable atrocities as a POW, and a hero to many - but while I knew he wasn't going to get a blip on the news, during that cycle some rather awful people had met their end - and THEY made the news.

Brinkley told me - after reassuring me that my grandfather was in fact, heroic - that it is the nature of the news to report bad news. As he said it, if a plane or train arrives on time, that is not news, but if one crashes, that IS. He also added that they do *try* to balance their coverage.

So what do they say? Iraq - a lot better than you think? There's no doubt that if say, FOX tried to report good news from Iraq, it'd be touted as propaganda.

It's also the nature of the war that it's hard to assess how well it's going. It's not WW2 where the measure of the progress of the war was how close are we to Berlin, and have they captured Hitler yet? THAT part of the Iraq War ended five years ago. We no longer care if they've rolled into Baghdad yet, and most Americans are not the slightest bit aware of what the current campaigns are.

[wintersprings]

"nature of the war that it's hard to assess how well it's going."

are you hiding in a hole? The good news is every where, but mainly on the bloggs. Even the French now say we won (That made CNN).

So where do you get your news? When Bagdad is safer than DC, I think you got your answer.

[ImnoMensa]

Originally Posted by SamSpade

This I can't fault the media for - way back when I was 10, I wrote to David Brinkley and asked him why the news broadcasts were about bad news. At the time I was bothered because my grandfather had died - a survivor of the Bataan death march and innumerable atrocities as a POW, and a hero to many - but while I knew he wasn't going to get a blip on the news, during that cycle some rather awful people had met their end - and THEY made the news.

Brinkley told me - after reassuring me that my grandfather was in fact, heroic - that it is the nature of the news to report bad news. As he said it, if a plane or train arrives on time, that is not news, but if one crashes, that IS. He also added that they do *try* to balance their coverage.

So what do they say? Iraq - a lot better than you think? There's no doubt that if say, FOX tried to report good news from Iraq, it'd be touted as propaganda.

It's also the nature of the war that it's hard to assess how well it's going. It's not WW2 where the measure of the progress of the war was how close are we to Berlin, and have they captured Hitler yet? THAT part of the Iraq War ended five years ago. We no longer care if they've rolled into Baghdad yet, and most Americans are not the slightest bit aware of what the current campaigns are.

I find your reference to World War 2 and how we cannot judge this war by that one to be so true

Another thing we cannot judge by World War 2 standards is the treatment of POW's
1. We arent capturing POW's in uniform so are they POW's or are they sabateurs. Being dressed as a civilian during WW2 while fighting would have gotten you shot as a spy.
2.Certainly these IED's are not laid by people in uniform ,but saboteurs.
3. After WW2 the prisoners were returned home where the war was over,they went to work. With this bunch the war will never be over. They wont return to work, they will return to kill again.This bunch arent fighting for their country, they are fighting for a child molesting prophet.
4. During WW2 , we fought to win. We didnt worry about how the citizens would accept us after we won, and President Truman had no intention to talk with Hitler.