High gas prices? Thank a Democrat this November

[Cowgirl]

Originally Posted by wintersprings

"If every home in America installed solar panels on the roof, we'd save a ton of energy. "

Oh god its SNIFF TEST TIME

OK, so we spend $8,000 on solar pannels (Conservitive estimate), to do this (New Batteries every 5 years not included), and charge up the car, see this article on a Solar Powered Gov test vehicle

Or

At $4 a gallon I drive the 25 miles to work and back, so I get to spend $4 each day, or in abot 8.3 years we are equal, and I don't need a $3000 outlay for new batteries, plus the $5000 extra just to buy the green battery equipped car up front.

Sniff test says, go with gas, let the tree huggers spend their cash for a feel good experience.

Originally Posted by SamSpade

I've looked into it - basic systems I've been able to locate START somewhere in the range of 15 grand, and that doesn't include installation. And they'd contribute somewhere around 200 kW-hrs per month - so, it'd save me about what, 30 bucks a month, maybe? How long before I recoup my investment?

Until solar roofs become a lot more affordable, I don't really care how green they are.

The point is, new technology is expensive at first. How much did the first computers, CD players, microwaves, ect. cost? Once they become more common, they'll come down in price.

There's nothing wrong with developing new energy sources.

[chernmax]

Originally Posted by AndyMarquisLIVE

Hey,

I Google'd this and can't find where he said this anywhere.

When and were did he say this? Can you post a link? Or is this another e-mail you got?

TIA,
Andy

Actually I heard him state it live on CNN, and if you can search YouTube for news exerts, it's there. But in hindsight I do believe he said it in a context that the high prices make people look for alternatives and as a result supports high prices, he just didn't think it would happen so fast and shock peoples wallets...

[chernmax]

And if big government wants everyone to save on energy, why did the Democratic Senate remove the tax incentives for alternate energy?

U.S. Energy Bill -- Early Christmas Present or Lump of Coal?

[Cowgirl]

Originally Posted by wintersprings

I calculate 44.4 years. Will you keep your green car that long?

He's not talking about cars, he's talking about solar roofing. I did a quick search (since I'm not an expert on solar roofing) and found this website.

Your commitment to clean energy is also a wise financial strategy. A properly designed and installed Solar system can pay for itself in as little as 5 to 10 years—and even faster if special electric rates apply.

Depending on the size of your system, and on your expectations for increases in the price of electricity, the Net Present Values (NPV) for a typical system are in the range of $3,000 to well over $10,000 for people with high electric bills. Click on this link to see What Size System Is Right For You.

According to a recent study from the Appraisal Institute, the selling price of homes increases by $20.73 for every $1 decrease in annual electric bills. Using this 20:1 multiplier, a typical 3kW system—costing about $12,000 after incentives and saving about $1,000 in annual energy costs—will increase the value of your home by $20,000.

I'm not saying everyone should run out and install a solar roof, but I'm saying it's beneficial in the long run to develop some alternative energy sources.

[AndyMarquisLIVE (Premo)]

Originally Posted by chernmax

Actually I heard him state it live on CNN, and if you can search YouTube for news exerts, it's there. But in hindsight I do believe he said it in a context that the high prices make people look for alternatives and as a result supports high prices, he just didn't think it would happen so fast and shock peoples wallets...

I agree with him.

Democrats have been talking about alternatives for years and most people said everything will be fine. I remember 5, 6 years ago, they were predicting doom and gloom. 4 years ago, I watched a documentary fortellind $11.00/gal. gas by 2011 if a terror attack or something happened overseas.

Now we're at the point of no return. If we would've looked into alternatives then, we might've found a solution by now.

In hindsight, if we would've started drilling in America 5-6 years ago when Bush said we needed to start drilling here, we would see lower gas prices now.

[wintersprings]

Originally Posted by Cowgirl

He's not talking about cars, he's talking about solar roofing. I did a quick search (since I'm not an expert on solar roofing) and found this website.


I'm not saying everyone should run out and install a solar roof, but I'm saying it's beneficial in the long run to develop some alternative energy sources.

Ok if i live in Arizona, but NOT MARYLAND. Geeeeeeeeeeee

Using their calculator, Calculator using NJ as the state, I save a whopping $48/month. Or 20.8 YEARS to break even.

Again..its NOT cost effective....Duh

[AndyMarquisLIVE (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Cowgirl

He's not talking about cars, he's talking about solar roofing. I did a quick search (since I'm not an expert on solar roofing) and found this website.


I'm not saying everyone should run out and install a solar roof, but I'm saying it's beneficial in the long run to develop some alternative energy sources.

Right now, the alternative is more expensive.

Wait until winter though, when it's cold and everyone is running their heaters.

[vegmom]

What about more energy efficient designs for buildings and vehicles?

I rent but use "passive" techniques to keep my place cooler/warmer. I have hitched on to the hypermiler trend to wring every mile I can out of my gas tank.

Is it just me, or are the so called "green" cars getting worse gas mileage than the eco-boxs of the 80s/90s?

[vegmom]

Originally Posted by wintersprings

Ok if i live in Arizona, but NOT MARYLAND. Geeeeeeeeeeee

Using their calculator, Calculator using NJ as the state, I save a whopping $48/month. Or 20.8 YEARS to break even.

Again..its NOT cost effective....Duh

You can do little things now that would not cost much. Passive solar landscaping, window films, shades, attic fans, solar outdoor lighting, adjust the thermostat, etc. Green for the earth and your wallet.

[Chasey_Lane]

Originally Posted by Tigerlily

I personally think this is great. I just wish I was two miles further. I am 24 miles even door to door.

What about Federal and state?